Do What Thou Wilt
77Introduction
I would first like to say I appreciate you coming here to read this. Part of what is revealed is very shocking. If you are a Christian, I suggest you pray before reading further and pray as you read and watch the videos. If you are not a christian, I want you to know that you can be.
Joh 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
Joh 3:17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
God loves you so much that He actually gave us His Son. God's Son already took the punishment for our sins.
Aleister Crowley
The book of the law was received and written by Aleister Crowley. He actually received it from a spirit which was of Satanic origin. The simple phrase, "Do what thou wilt," encompasses everything, good or bad, that a person wants to do. It also opens a door that Satan can enter into.
Many have written that Aleister Crowley was misunderstood. He has many followers even today who hold to what he wrote in his book of the law. His life was full of Sorcery, witchcraft, Satan worship, and general evilness. He died a lonely man addicted to heroine and it has been said that his last words were, "I am perplexed. . ."
He has been called by some, "The patron saint of Rock and Roll." He has certainly inspired many through his teachings and philosophy. Aldous Huxley, Anton LeVay, Charles Manson, Kenneth Anger, Michael Aquino (who appeared on the Oprah Winfrey Show), and a countless number of musicians and singers.
He is also called the Father of the Hippy Movement. He called himself the beast and lived his life accordingly. He is quoted as saying, "I was not content to believe in a personal devil and serve him, in the ordinary sense of the word. I wanted to get hold of him personally and become his chief of staff."
Mark Kilroy was found murdered in Matamoras, Mexico in 1989. He had been spending time in Mexico during spring break when he disappeared suddenly. When it was found out that he was murdered another discovery was made. Dozens of bodies were found mutilated in sacrificial fashion. They had been sacrificed as blessings over drug manufacturing.
Carlos Tapia, Chief Deputy of Cameron County, Texas stated, "I thought in my twenty two years of law enforcement I had seen everything. I hadn't. As we drew near, you could smell the stench...blood and decomposing organs. In a big, cast iron pot there were pieces of human bodies and a goat's head with horns."
Adolfo Constanzo and Sara Aldrete were proteges of Aleister Crowley and Anton LeVay, (the founder of the church of Satan), and were deep into the occult and black magic. They thought if they sacrificed humans to Satan, their shipments of Marijuana would be made invisible from law enforcement.
The whole of the law, Do what thou wilt, allowed Constanza to murder and sacrifice at will. There are no rules under this law. Nothing to keep one from doing whatever horrible things their mind can imagine. Snuffing out a life is no more than swatting a fly.
Aleister Crowley
Church of Satan
The founder of the church of Satan was Anton LeVay. He viewed Satan as a real entity and although he believed in the God of the bible, he refused to worship Him and made a conscious decision to worship Satan. He adopted Crowley's, Do what thou wilt is the whole of the law, and actually did what he wanted to do.
LeVay deceived many people because he always presented a watered down version of the true facts. He knew that many would not receive him or satanism if they knew the whole truth. Unfortunately, many had fallen prey to his deception and ended up possessed by devils. Why is it so hard to understand? Jesus called Satan a liar, (Joh 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it. ), so why do people think it might be above him to tell a lie? Jesus spoke truth to all and never told a lie, (Joh 8:45 And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not. ), and they didn't believe Him.
If you are reading this, it is not too late for you. Jesus loves you and wants to save you. He wants to hold you in His arms and keep you safe. He doesn't want you to go down the road to destruction so many others have traveled through the years. (2Co 6:2 For he saith, I have heard thee in a time accepted, and in the day of salvation have I succoured thee: behold, now is the accepted time; behold, now is the day of salvation.)
Anton LeVay
Scientology or Satanism?
L. Ron Hubbard had close ties to Jack Parsons who was the head of Crowley's Ordo Templi Orientis. The book of the law written by Crowley was most likely the most important book in Hubbard's life.
L. Ron Hubbard considered himself to be the one to take on the mantle of the beast after Crowley's death. He also stated that Scientology was born on the day that Crowley died, December 1, 1947. Hubbard Jr, quoted his father as saying, “Also I've got to complete this by saying that he thought of himself as the Beast 666 Incarnate." Interviewer: "The devil?" Ron Jr.: "Yes. Aleister Crowley thought of himself as such. And when Crowley died in 1947 my father then decided that he should wear the cloak of the beast; and become the most powerful being in the universe. He thought he was Satan. He was one with Satan. He had a direct pipeline of communication and power with him.”
Ron Hubbard, JR, “The one super-secret sentence that Scientology is built on is: 'Do as thou wilt. That is the whole of the law.' It also comes from the black magic, from Aleister Crowley. It means that you are a law unto yourself, that you are above the law, that you create your own law. You are above any other human considerations.”
Hubbard also thought he would lead mankind in the battle against Jesus Christ at His return. Also mentioned is a brief period of time in which the enemy of Christ or Antichrist will have power to sway opinions.He actually thought Jesus' return could be stopped. Of course he must first reach a godlike status before this could happen.
Scientology is nothing more than the whole of the law that Crowley had written. Do what thou wilt had become the saying and law of this new system of belief. It is the same as it was when Crowley first wrote it. Nothing has changed, except the disciples who usher it into the mainstream populace.
Testimony of an exscientologist. I actually thought it to be kind of funny in a way.
Scientology and Satanism
Hollywood and Satanism
Hollywood keeps pushing the envelope going deeper and deeper into the occult and satanism. Morals are thrown away and ethics are tossed aside. Murder, sexual deviancy, homosexuality, fornication, teen sex, adultery, witchcraft, Wicca, etc. . are all a part of the plan of satanism, the Church of Satan, Scientology, etc. . .
Our children are being brainwashed into believing these things are normal. They are indoctrinated into believing there is nothing wrong with having sex as a teenager. Do what thout wilt is the whole of the law in Hollywood also.
Many well known actors and actresses call upon the spirits to help them achieve star status or to help them with a role or scene. It sounds more like New Age doesn't it? Yes it does sound like New Age, but it also sounds just like satanism.
Oprah Winfrey is one of the biggest preachers of satanism there is today. She calls her TV show a ministry. Her status as a superstar allows her to reach more people than most others can.
She once had a guest on her show named Michael Acquino. Michael Acquino founded the Church of Set a break away form the Church of Satan founded by Anton LeVay. Acquino made it clear to Oprah that they are following Satan who is the original rebel.
Acquino is quoted as saying, “We believe that this quality in the human soul that makes it different from all other life forms…was deliberately inculcated in humanity in its distant evolutionary past by an active agency that is acting in defiance of the universal norm. And that agency has been caricatured…as Lucifer, as Satan, and in the greatest antiquity by the ancient Egyptians as Set.”
Acquino went on to explain that the way they believe as satanists will turn them into gods. He also declared, "We are not servants of some god, we are our own gods." Oprah appeared shocked in finding out this was the same belief that New Agers believe.
Oprah replied to Acquino the following quote. “Well, the way you explain this is very the way a lot of people who are into metaphysics now and the New Age movement and New Age thinking, they say the very same thing. Are you saying that it’s the same?” Acquino then answered without wavering, "Yes."
This shows that the New Age belief is rooted in the doctrine of Aleister Crowley, the great beast, the writer of the book of the law. Do as thou wilt is now a New Age belief.
Oprah and Denzel Summon Spirits
Rock Stars and Actors
There is a long list of rock stars and actors who follow the teachings of Aleister Crowley. The law which he wrote has become the law which they live by. All the beliefs mentioned above and more than I wrote about are based upon the doctrine or Crowley.
Rock and Roll music is one of the greatest tools that is used by Satan. As mentioned earlier in this hub, many rock musicians and singers have adopted the Book of the Law written by Crowley. They like Crowley, know the devil is real and that God is real, but they choose/chose to serve Satan. Much of the music sung today is geared toward young teens and pre-teens. It is done to infiltrate their minds to instill the do what thou wilt philosophy.
If you have been deceived by the doctrines of Crowley or any of his disciples, it is not too late for you my friend. There is still time to turn away from the satanic cult and give your life to Jesus Christ. The Word of God spells it our very plainly.
Rev 22:17 And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.
Satan will continue to accept you if you want to stay that route. What Jesus offers is free to you or anyone else who wants it. What Satan offers will cost you your soul. Are you willing to pay that price? The choice is yours to make. I pray you make the right choice.
Mark of the Beast
A Little Add On
I realized this hub ended with another satanic video. I decided to add one that is more positive. It is all about Jesus.
Mighty to Save
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Did you know that Satan wants people to obey the law. That is fine with him, man's law, not God's. He does not want anyone to get saved by Jesus! That's the whole point that keeps us out of hell. People like this person who will perish, they want to live for today, do what they please because they lack the Spirit of the Living God. We are not here simply just to be good servants to Man's laws, we are here to help others see the truth of who Jesus was. Their only hope of Salvation. Satan doesn't care if man's laws are broken or kept, he wants people just like that one foolish man, to lead all astray, turning anyone away from the true doctrine of the church that is Christ. Hard hub. I hope many come to Christ through it.
Vladimir, I deleted your second comment as it was identical to the first.
Sciantel, I appreciate your input. Satan is so conniving and scheming it isn't even funny. I only hope this hub helps someone to get out of bopndage.
not a bad hub thanks
Thanks for the comment silly. I think you might have more to say though.
My dad worked for the Scientologists awhile back and while that was one of his better paying jobs, I will just say I do not agree with their practices. They had him rig Christmas like lighting in a hallway, which he was just chuckling to himself when they had him do this. It was not Christmas by the way, they just wanted some fun lighting for some weird reason lol.
Oprah really is not an evil person. I thin kthere are other people in the world that do worse things than her, that is my only point.
Actually Oprah allows all sides to state views on her show. I do not watch her show as much anymore, but I remember in the 90's she devoted an entire show to teens that preached people should read the Bible and wait until marriage to have sex. She is fair and allows people to state their views and often has Christians on her show, so I would say there are people who are far discriminatory and not open to other views.
I wonder if your dad used chaser lights in their hallway. They seem to be chasing after something. :P That is kind of funny.
Oprah preaches a message of Satanism. It is possible she' doesn't realize what she is preaching. Allowing others views on a show makes for good drama. It is also possible in the 90's that she had a different view or belief.
SirDent, Great hub and great information, well written, as always. This doesn't come to a shock to me. When the whole thing came out about Tom Cruise and some more of the hollywood set joining up with these people, I decided to research it. I knew it was bad from a speaker years ago talk about it. Then I began to look into it myself. I was greatly disappointed that people with so much talent would join something so well.......cult. And it is a cult. I don't know any other way to describe it. It changes people to the bad many times. Look at Tom now. He acts crazy and does bizzare things. Things he would have not done until he joined this cult. It's hard for me to watch one of his movies now without thinking of this huge mistake he's made and with his influence he has, has influenced fans to join also. Which, that will be on his hands one day. I'm so glad you brought this to light. Oprah lost fans this past year due to the fact that she didn't let Palin come on her show. I have a friend who watched her, but now won't because of that. She thought all this time she was a fair person, but now she doesn't. She has friends who feel the same way. Oprah seems to kinda go with whatever is popular in hollywood. You know she loves Tom C. Her beliefs have never reflected Christian values. Sure, she gives things to poor people and audience members. But, hey, if I owned that much stuff and had that much money, I'd be giving away a ton more than I do now. Plus, this helps her to fill the chairs at her show and make more people watch at home. It's ratings. She's from my state, but this is not something I brag about. When people want to know famous people from my state, she's not the first name to come to my mind. I do wonder if she realizes that she promotes. I hope she doesn't and that she wakes up because so many listen to her as an advisor. Hollywood seems to be leaning farther and farther from Chrisitanity. This is sad because so many people put them on a pedistal, so they want to be like them, even in their belief system, without researching it. Actors, singers, celebrities, sports figures, etc, are all just humans. They do not have a speical connection with God any more than we 'normal' people do. No one should follow a belief just because a star or someone on TV does. That's just foolishness and I wonder if they follow the belief or worship the star. Both are wrong and if they follow a human, they will land in Hell. Whether it's Tom or L Ron Hubbard or anyone else. That road is wide and easy to follow. And ends in a very hot place. I see that your hub hasn't gotten a lot of posts. But, I do figure many have read it. You are planting good seeds. Thanks for writing this hub. God bless you and your family. Keep up the great work. I hope you and your family had a great Christmas!
How does Oprah teach Satansism?
Do What Thou Wilt and Harm No One is the whole story. Harm No One. Those that Do are not adherring to the Law at all. There will be those Cults that do this and maybe Satan is their leader, but do you think Satan knows they are following him? The more you preach and teach against Satan the more he likes it. Call it Cause and effect or Karma of sorts. All that is in that Bible. Do Unto Others As You Would Hfve Them Do Unto You, Love Thy Neighbor As Thyself, What you Sow you shall also Reap, and many other verses in that Bible. Should we love our neighbor even though we know they are following Satan? I am not being argumentative. just asking questions.
If Satna has so much power to carry one away with him, then how much more power does God and Jesus have to put him away? Where is the Love Of God in your preaching? I see very little of that and more on what is wrong with Satan. The more you birng Satan to the forefront the more power you give him.
Thank you very much ASU for the read and comment. I didn't know she wouldn't have Sarah Palin on her show. I wonder if that makes her a racist? I know it seems everyone who didn't support Obama were called racists.
LG, did you read the hub or just the comments? If you read the hub, you would understand.
There is plenty of scripture in this hub showing the love of God. There is also plenty of it to show that what is written here is true. If you believe what I wrote, fine. If you don't believe it, fine.
Oprah channels spirits. Guess where these spirits come from. There are many spiritualists who think they are channeling spirits of actualy people when the are merely channeling unclean spirits that coem from the pits of hell.
Mayb it is OK with you if your neighbor goes into hell blind and not knowing that he or she is following Satan, but it is not OK with me.
Hell is full of well intentioned people who thought they were doing the right thing.
hahahahah Good question! And yes, I've been called that on here. Because I'm white and have a house I'm racist. WHATEVER! LOLOLOL I would have gladly voted for Obama had he stood for the values and beliefs I have. I don't care if he was green and pink polka dotted with orange hair. There were several petitions passed and sent to Oprah with names of viewers of her show asking her to have Palin on there, but she still refused. I guess since she indeed has 'Oprah money' that it wont hurt her to lose viewers. But, I do wish she wouldn't pass on such views as she does on her show. She is misleading many people.
Just so you and everyone else knows, I was only joking about her being a racist. I have seen her give stuff away on her show before and the people stand screaming and shouting. I have also seen God try to move in a Church service and the people would yawn and are anyone to try and move them. Then again, I have seen people shouting and screaming in Church while the spirit moved them. I have seen healings come to some but not to all.
Just had another thought. When the people shout and scream at Oprah or anyone. it is a spirit. The shouting is one of reverance and worship. I sense another hub coming on now. ;)
From reading the Bible, you know that hell is mentioned more times than Heaven. That is because God loves us so much He made sure we are amply warned about it. Also, about SirDent, I feel that he is being an excellent neighbor by loving people enough to take the time to make hubs like this in order to show them the truth so they can make the right decisions and show them how to make Jesus their Savior. How much more love can a person show? I admire him for the stand he takes for God. He always does it in a loving way and for the right reasons........Because he loves God and therefore the souls of everyone, and doesn't want to see a single person go to hell. I think that is very admirable. He does what he does to serve God and serve people in showing them the way to Heaven. There's no greater service he could do.
I knew you were kidding about that. So was I about the racism part (as evidenced by my lols and hahahahs), but the spreading of bad beliefs, I wasn't. That part concerns me. And yes, you are right about the spirit moving, you should have been at our church last night, it was GREAT!!!!
I appreciate your last comment ASU. I feel undeserving of it. I know that I do not love like God loves men. Let Him have the glory and praise. I can only do what He allows me to do.
I know you knew I was kidding. But you know how it is. Many would come here accusing me of being racist against Oprah by claiming she is racist against Sarah Palin. :P
We had a great service yesterday also. Shouting and one person gave their life to the Lord yesterday. I really feel the door of salvation is being closed. Time is running out and night is coming when no one will be able to work.
I feel the same way. So does our pastor. He preached on that yesterday. On the reality that we don't have plenty of time promised to us. And that signs are everywhere if we open our spitirual eyes that this is the time talked about in Daniel and Revelation. I pray a lot for my family. Me, my husband and son are all saved, but I have cousins, uncles, aunts, etc that are not saved. That is a huge concern of mine. But, I feel that most families are the same way. We really need to lift up each other in prayer now more than ever.
The bombong raids Israel is making right now also points to the end. All the Arab nations have condemned Israel along with every other nation in the world excpet the USA and Australia.
I also noticed the rockets Hamas launched were aimed toward Ashdod and Ashkelon.
Amo 1:7 But I will send a fire on the wall of Gaza, which shall devour the palaces thereof:
Amo 1:8 And I will cut off the inhabitant from Ashdod, and him that holdeth the sceptre from Ashkelon, and I will turn mine hand against Ekron: and the remnant of the Philistines shall perish, saith the Lord GOD.
Yes Sir Dent I read the whole hub and I didn't even read any of the comments before I posted mine.
What I come away with in your hub is Satan and Evil and Hatered-not the love of God. Jesus said Fear NOt of him. So you would rather give Satan more power than God--how belittling of you and those who tell the story of FEAR and Self righteousness. What you sow will be what you reap. You sow fear and you will get back fear of you. They will not see the love of God through your words about Satan. Foro God's sake, God gave you a Son and Your Wife too and that was a miracle--no go out and teach of that--not the Fear of Satan. God is love. He is more powerful than Satan and I put my trust and faith in him and his love--not turn it around and put it into hatred for Satan--whom God has dealt with on our behalf.
You cannot put God ins a Box for you to say that they cannot have any part of him unles you want them too. God is much bigger than that.
I saw where one of the few Muslim nations that are/were 'friends' with them, Turkey, is criticizing them, too. But, Isreal kept their word in the cease fire for peace. It was the muslims that broke the treaty. I can't blame Isreal for not sitting still like a sitting duck and be attacked. This shows that they cannot be trusted and I hope Isreal stands up for itself. I have a friend who's grandparents live in Isreal still. They are worried that we wont stand with them once Obama is in office. As you said, it's all going along with prophecy.
LG, all I can say to you is this. Fire is hot and ice is cold. Once you figure out what that really means, come back and post another comment.
God made a way. It is of God and it is God. All those who came before are theives.
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In my previous comment I said the rockets were aimed at Ashdod and Ashkelon. I need to make a correction. They went toward those cities from what I understand. the rockets "supposedly" are not aimable rockets.
ASU, I also read somewhere last night that Israel planned for about a week on how to do the bombing raids with as few civilian casualties as possible. Ia lso read last night that Israel opened one blockade to allow Humanitarian aid and cooking fuel in.
Of course many of the Arab nations that condemned Israel stated that it was a move against Arabs.
So Moses, Joseph, Execial, and all the other prophets in the Bible are thieves. i bet they feel really proud of that label. Hmmm......
...and you would know exactly what God is and how he operates. you are his Righ Hand Man? Interesting. Who gives you that authority? If you say God then you would be lying and if you say Stan then you would also be lying. So fire is hot and Ice is cold-----------no duh!
I am out of here. I don't like hatred of anyone. That is what you are displaying--not love. You have been told that before by others. So you can have your God in your box, but he is not just in that box.... if that is what makes you happy so be it.
I don't know why I am allowing your last comment LG but it is there.
The authrority that Ihave comes from Jesus Christ. Those He called theives were not the prophets, but the many saviors that had come before Him. God set the standard by which everyone will be judged. Do you measure up to God? Did you create the earth? Did you hang it on nothing? Did you toss the stars out into the universe? Of course the anwer is "NO."
God set the standard by which man can come to Him also. He didn't change the standard for anyone. It is the same way now as it was in the time of Abraham.
Mat 7:13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
Mat 7:14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
Mat 7:15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
Mat 7:16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
Mat 7:17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
I saw that on the news. It makes me feel like no matter what good things Isreal tries, it will always be condemned. For them to go to the time to figure out where to to this as to harm as few people as possible says a lot about them. Although I'm sure most people don't feel that way. I still do. They could have been like the muslims and just killed whatever and whoever they could have, but had the heart not to. It seems no matter what Isreal does, they are condemned by everyone that they are against the Arabs. What about what the Arabs do? Seems they are found to have good reason by the same people who talk against Isreal. I am just ready for Him to come get us.
In the eyes of many around the world, the Arabs are the ones being terrorized. It is their land that is being ravaged and taken. Of course they blame everyone else around the world for it happening, but it is their own people who are doing it.
Very true! It's strange to me that people can't see that. Or, I guess, don't want to see it?
Willful blindness? And they tell us to pull our heads out of the sand!!!!!! :P
LOL well said! It seems a lot that they hear someone say that something is one way, and instead of studying it for themselves to find the truth, they take what liberal media says or perhaps on hubpages, they believe what the most liberals on here say. I don't understand why people don't want to find out the truth for themselves instead of being blind followers.
Very interesting, timely and true. Thank you!!!
ridiculous.
Tell me Bee why you think it is ridiculous.
"Do What thou Wilt Shall be the Whole of the Law!"
"Love is the law, Love under Will"
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Very Interesting! Check this out: http://hubpages.com/hub/aaoulsincarnation
Who wrote the book of Genesis.
Some say it could only be written by God as were the Ten Commandments. Of course, we have no physical evidence of the tablets containing the commandments.
One thing for sure, Genesis nor any of the books of the Bible were written contemporaneously. At the time of Genesis, there was no formal language. If there was a language even in the time of the Garden of Eden, it didn't survive, otherwise there wouldn't have been any need to change to the many languages found in the early civilization.
The world supposedly started with just Adam and Eve and followed with their children. This is like the Big Bang of people. It was homogeneous and everyone had the same language, whatever it was. As the population grew, it grew from the same source.
Modern day language is only a few thousand years old but the variations around the world are in the thousands. This doesn't make sense, unless Adam and Eve were not alone.
It is apparent that language developed and evolved over time. For Adam and Eve to be created by God, their language should have been sophisticated and developed in the Garden of Eden. Apparently, it was not, otherwise it would have lasted throughout time. Unless, you think God was not capable of providing a perfect language for his creation.
The bible should been written by God and been given to Adam and Eve as a guide for their existence. Before being thrown out of the Garden for disobeying God, there was the tree of knowledge, yet God didn't want Adam and Eve to have knowledge. This is a paradox that no one can really explain.
Also, if all souls are equally important to God, then the first billion or more souls were throwaways because they didn't have language, civilization or the same God. Even in the 20th Century the world still have primitive civilizations that had no concept of the bible or its God.
While Genesis was not the first book written in the Bible, it should have been the first. Genesis is not a book about the beginning but about genealogy.
The Bible was not written by a Divine Intellect but written by man within the scope of that being.
The world has always been run by men and women didn't count until the last part of the 20th century. Adam and Eve were not created equally. Why, because Genesis was written by men who could not conceive that women were their equal.
Women were the one that had the children and that was a fact , that had to be accounted for in the bible. But that fact didn't make them any more than a beast of burden.
Genesis doesn't explain how man evolved to take care of themselves, such as shelter, child delivery, child caring, clothes and all the other human things that differentiate us from the rest of Earth's creatures.
I could go on, but you get my drift.
Opinion duck, you err like so many others err. The tree of knowledge of good and evil is what the tree was called. It wasn't just about knowledge. It was about knowing good from evil and vice versa. If Adam hadn't eaten of that tree, there would be no knowledge of anything evil. Once knowledge of evil is known, then man is ashamed and feels guilty.
All the different languages came to be at the tower of Babel. In the beginning there was one language. Adam and eve communicated with one another and they communicated with God. Women were never considered inferior by God. It was men who thought women for be inferior.
You are of the mindset that man evolved, therefore you believe in evolution and God has nothing to do with evolution. God created all things seen and unseen. Evolution is a lie that science tries to pass off as truth. Not too long ago the earth was considered to be millions of years old. Now they believe it to be billions of years old. Why did they change the number of years? They say because of knowledge that they found out, but they did it because they knew evolution had to start earlier to be more believable and be accepted as fact.
Genesis was written by Moses as it was given to him by God Himself. When Moses asked God to show him His glory, God said I will show you my hinder parts, which means the past. We know that Noah was a builder because he built the ark.
Why does it matter how man figured out how to build? Science wants everything explained and tested. Some people just can't accept that things are how they are then enjoy life.
When sin entered into the world, sickness and disease also came. Medical doctors and researchers have been trying to figure out a way to cure sicknesses for centuries and the answer is very simple. If everyone would turn to God and stop sinning against Him, then peace and safety would come. Once sin is eliminated, there will be no more sickness.
Dent, sorry but now I question your nobility.
I don't believe in evolution but nor do I believe the bible. The truth of our existence lies somewhere else.
Nothing that you wrote means anything because you are using the bible as a self authenticating document.
None of the information in the bible is divine.
The world no more needed more than one language, than we need another bible or a hundred versions of the same bible.
In your bible, even with God's help, Moses never found the promised land even though they wandered around for forty years. While the bible contains a lot of wisdom about human nature, there is no divine intelligence in it.
You selectively answered my comments and missed or chose to ignore many of my points. This is what politicians do when they either don't know the answer or they know that the answer is working against them.
Your final paragraph about sin makes no point for your view.
People have not changed in the thousands of years of recorded time. They were bad in the Old Testament and they are possibly even worse now. Evil rules and has always ruled and it will continue to rule as long as there are people in this world.
My final comment is that there are two Gods in the bibles. The God of the Old Testament is the mean and unforgiving God, while Jesus of the New Testament is the humble turn your cheek passive God.
The God from the Garden of Eden was an imperfect God, He couldn't control the Angels or Satan and he produced an imperfect creature Adam, and then cloned Eve from Adam. Instead of understanding that imperfection he punishes Adam and Eve for being his imperfect products.
Instead of calling the experiment a failure, God allows Adam and Eve to procreate and inhabiting the Earth with billions of his imperfect creatures. This even after Cain kills Abel.
A baby that dies in childbirth committed no sin, yet God takes him. People born with brain defects cannot commit sin but are forced to walk the Earth until they die.
i get a totally different understanding from do what thou wilt. to me it means do what u wanna (we been screaming that in new orleans)(and no that is not why our city flooded)because God gave us free will to do so. the only reason why we do evil stuff is because of the lack positive influence, its our fault as a whole that the world is the way it is. if everyone was as determined as satan is satan wouldnt be able to influence us. everyone wants something to stand for. we are followers, no leaders these days, controlled by the desires of the flesh. yall think yall living like God want u to but the churches are the biggest weapons of mental and spiritual oppression. the things of this world are what people live for lol. when u die then what? Denial is the word. Denial of the known fact that whatever you set your mind to you can do it. those who do evil things only decided that instead of staying strong minded and seeing things through they'd be in part with something thats already established and has a strong influence on many people. it doesnt matter if i believe the bible is true or if i believe that GOD is real. i wake up every day and have the right to do what ever i want, i chose to live forever as a leader of positivity, how about you?
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Evil exists because nothing can control it, not even the God of the Bible.
Evil is the dominant attribute of the world, no one needs to be taught evil or asked to do evil, it just comes naturally. Good on the other hand is not natural, it has to be taught and enforced by the world. The whole concept of the Bible is to try to get people to be good.
The concept that there was a tree in the Garden of Eden that had the knowledge of Evil tells you that it pre-existed before us. We didn't create it and we wouldn't have known about it without that tree.
If God of the Bible was all good, then the Garden wouldn't have been tainted by Evil. There were no Guardian Angels to help Adam and Eve in the Garden. They were brand new beings without any history of what to do, and it was naive of God to expect them to resist Evil. Especially, since God couldn't control evil.
As for your, free to do anything mantra, yes, you can do anything but if it doesn't conform to society, it could be the last free thing that you do here.
my opinion.....
Learn to research, then write an article that is neither ridiculously slanted nor an utter perversion of our (collective) knowledge of these persons. It would be a 100% improvement on this article, which is currently on the same level as the typical terror tactics and spin-doctoring invoked by newspapers, tv newsreaders, and evangelicists.
Good day sir!
savage, in what way is this article ridiculously slanted? It is easy to say, "You are wrong," but much harder to prove.
Are the quotes not right or the videos have been doctored?
Maybe Crowley didn't actually write the Thelemic book of the law?
If you are going to critique my work, at least critique it.
interesting material presented. however, i have a bone to pick with the use of the Denzel clip as evidence of demonic possession. When speaking of spirits, he was obviously referring to the spirits of his ancestors, the enslaved Africans, not demonic spirits. He connected to the pain that it present in the diaspora of descendents of enslaved African's collective spirit in order to portray a powerful role. (I don't expect you to understand that) This is a cultural misunderstanding that the clip you use takes out of context because of unfamiliarity with this connection. For example if you ever have the opportunity to visit a place where grave horrors occurred (the slave ports in Ghana did it for me), you can feel the sadness and the intense pain in the atmosphere and become overcome with emotion because of it, but i would hardly connect that with demonic possession.
brndbutta, I appreciate your comment and feedback. I do have a question if you happen to return here. Are all spirits good spirits in your opinion?
brndbutta, I appreciate your comment and feedback. I do have a question if you happen to return here. Are all spirits good spirits in your opinion?
I would say that all spirits are definitely not good. At the most basic level a good spirit would be what we label an Angel and a bad spirit would be what we label a Demon. As far as those spirits that we label as Ghosts I would say for the most part that the majority of the deceased are at rest until resurrection but I am open minded enough to entertain the idea that all are not at rest and may have negative or evil intentions (such as hauntings of a house, poltergeists, etc)
I am glad you came back brnd. I have another question if you don't mind answering.
Do you think God wants us to channel spirits? Not all angels are good ones either according to the Bible. Satan is an angel himself.
But 'Do what thou wilt' and 'do what you want' are very different things. 'Do what thou wilt' includes the caution that your right to do what you Will ends where it may interfere with the Will of another. Murder, thievery, and other such offenses are not permissible under the Law of 'Do what thou wilt.'
I recommend you read Crowley's essay entitled 'Duty,' which explains the meaning of the Law of Do What Thou Wilt. Until you have read this essay, you are only refuting incorrect interpretations of that Law.
Do what you will, do what you can, do what you want, all have the same basic meaning. Harm no one came after the original and was used in the Wiccan creed because Wiccans did not want to be associated with Satanists.
Greetings, SirDent. I’m taking you up on your about page: “SirDent loves to receive comments even if you disagree with what he writes.” Yes, I disagree.
As a Satanist, one who actually believes in Satan (LaVeyan Satanists don’t, as all their writings and website make clear), I’m asking you to clarify and correct some statements so that you can mount a more effective witness. The facts speak for themselves. You won’t lose any impact by making a few corrections, and in fact Satanists and other occultists will respect you for having correct information, when so many evangelists don’t bother. Otherwise they won’t take you seriously, and from your viewpoint, you’ve lost another chance at converting us from our “sins.” I cite each statement of yours I ask for you to consider expanding/revising/correcting, and then I comment on it.
“He actually received it from a spirit which was of Satanic origin.”
Since you apparently believe in a black and white universe of “either God or Devil,” where else would he have received it?! Is this a surprise? Or are there intermediate spirits who haven’t declared sides yet?! Clarify what you mean by “actually”: he was in regular conversation with spirits, right? Not everyone receives things from “a spirit of Satanic origin.” Please clarify.
“The whole of the law, Do what thou wilt, allowed Constanza to murder and sacrifice at will. There are no rules under this law. Nothing to keep one from doing whatever horrible things their mind can imagine. Snuffing out a life is no more than swatting a fly.”
No. Insanity allowed Constanza to murder and sacrifice at will. Any fool can break the law -- we don’t need anyone’s permission to do so. You clearly have not studied the context. Crowley declared that “Do what thou wilt” means following the laws of Soul, NOT every whim and impulse that comes along. That still allows you to say that Crowley was deceived into thinking he was receiving “higher guidance” when in fact the Devil was speaking. Most of Crowley’s readers misinterpret his work in one place or another – it’s a known truth his biographers frequently acknowledge. This one quotation has been more misunderstood than most.
“Adolfo Constanzo and Sara Aldrete were proteges of Aleister Crowley and Anton LeVay, (the founder of the church of Satan), and were deep into the occult and black magic.”
Judas was a protégé of Jesus. Does that make Jesus responsible for his own betrayal and crucifixion? Is this your own interpretation? Say so. Does anyone in law enforcement or the judiciary blame Crowley for Constanzo and Aldrete’s actions? Cite your sources. Otherwise this is just slander by association.
“The founder of the church of Satan was Anton LeVay. He viewed Satan as a real entity and although he believed in the God of the bible, he refused to worship Him and made a conscious decision to worship Satan.”
Check your spelling. It’s LaVey. LaVeyan Satanists specifically are atheists – they most definitely do NOT believe in Satan. They worship themselves. LaVey and his followers in the Church of Satan do NOT view Satan as a real entity and think theistic Satanists like me are insane for believing in any deity. LaVey certainly did NOT believe in the god of the Bible. He DID make a conscious decision to use Satanic imagery for magic and for its psychological effect and shock value.
“Jesus spoke truth to all and never told a lie”
Jesus may not have lied, but at least one of his prophecies clearly did not come true. He said he would return before some of those standing around him died, but he didn’t.
“If you are reading this, it is not too late for you. Jesus loves you and wants to save you. He wants to hold you in His arms and keep you safe.”
Just so you know, this is blasphemy for many Satanists, who find it deeply offensive that anyone would attempt to limit their freedom by psychological intimidation and fear of threats of hell they don’t even believe in.
“Murder, sexual deviancy, homosexuality, fornication, teen sex, adultery, witchcraft, Wicca, etc. are all a part of the plan of satanism, the Church of Satan, Scientology, etc. . .”
This is outright slander. It’s no different than saying Christians are murderers because one or two blow up an abortion clinic. They’re not representative, are they? Crime statistics clearly bear this out. Everywhere on reputable Satanist websites and in Satanist literature there are clear statements that Satanists are generally law-abiding, specifically reverence children and animals, and do NOT advocate murder. Second, Wicca is NOT Satanism – you’ll never mount an effective Christian witness to either Wiccans or Satanists if you don’t inform yourself about the difference. Wiccans find the linking with Satanism generally offensive.
Sexual diversity IS however part of Satanism. Many Satanists remain within monogamous loving relationships. But not all. What people choose to do as consenting adults is their own business. Quoting a scripture they don’t believe won’t convince them. You need better arguments than that.
Thanks for reading. You can find contact info on my webpage if you'd like to correspond. And take a look at my website while you're there!
I will consider your suggestions Dana. I also must think about what you wrote beofre giving a good intelligent reply. Thanks for the read and comment.
Dana after reading your comment again, it appears to me that you are trying to deflect from what I wrote here. You say that wiccans will be offended to be put in the same mold as satanists, etc. . . God's Word offends people. It always has and always will.
You said one of Jesus' prophecies did not come true, but you are wrong. How many disciples saw Jesus when he ascended? John saw Jesus come into His glory in Revelation.
Your attempt to get my mind on other things was a valiant one, but it has backfired. There are only two you can follow. Jesus or Satan.
I did find the typo you made known and will fix it.
SirDent, how is correcting misinformation an attempt to "deflect"? Wiccans are offended to be classed with Satanists for the same reason Christians would be offended to be classed with Muslims "because they all believe in the same God." It has nothing to do with "God's word offending people" and everything to do with simple inaccuracy. Wiccans don't believe the same things Satanists do, so a Christian witness to Wiccans that assumes they're "just Satanists" will shut doors before they're half open. That's what I'm trying to get you to correct. Since you're not interested, I won't bother further beyond this post.
As for the prophecy, Jesus clearly meant his return, not merely his post-resurrection appearance. He spoke of coming "with power," as Revelations details, and not appearing only to his followers. You can't get out of it that easily.
As long as you insist that there's no difference between religions that aren't Christian because "we're all following Satan," you severely limit your witness. Paul in his work with the Ephesians builds on the spiritual understanding they have so he can talk about Jesus. He begins with their "unknown god." That's a lot more productive than spiritual imperialism which says, "We've got all the truth, and you've got none. Suck it up, sinner." All religions have a piece of truth. That's what draws people to them in the first place. From a Christian point of view they may be seriously flawed, but to dismiss them out of hand as Satan's lies flies in the face of significant theology and investigation by many reputable Evangelical scholars.
And incidentally, when you say, "You're just following Satan," you're not telling me anything new, because I AM following Satan. That's what a Satanist IS -- a follower of Satan!
Dana
SirDent: Your information and presentation of the Bible is right on. Thanks for standing for truth!
FOR THE RECORD: Christians and Muslims don't believe in the same God. God Almighty and Allah aren't the same person. And Muhammad isn't a disciple of God Almighty.
Everyone: Correcting wrong and hating people aren't the same thing. You can show the love of God, or the love of one person to another, without condoning the wrong things people are doing. If someone robs you and you prosecute them, you aren't hating them, you're correcting a wrong doing.
The pervading feeling someone might get offended in wrong doing is corrected is why we have such disorder in our society today, why children are growing up without discipline and our society is spinning out of control. This kind of behavior promotes chaos and confusion.
Keep in mind that the Biblical meaning of the word "offense" means the part of the trap where the bait is. Satan provokes offended feelings in people. If you allow yourself to be swayed by feeling offended it keeps you from listening to the truth. That's the trap. Stop falling for it.
There HAS TO BE a base of truth from which our society operates. To allow anyone to do anything (because it might offend them to correct them) is no way to live. What about the people they harm in doing what they want? You can't keep order and let everybody have their way unless you have a society of people who all behave perfectly. And how often doesn't that happen?
For example, when I was in elementary school, about the worst thing anybody did was chew gum or sneak a cigarette in the bathroom. Today, we have to have metal detectors and rules about children carrying weapons to school. Something has happened to make this change in our society. There have to be rules and people have to be disciplined whether it's a child at home or a criminal in our court system.
To reiterate, stop falling for the trap of offense and thinking nobody should be corrected.
I really don't know where to start.
First of all, the interpretations of Crowley's work are what amounts to essentially libel. No one was with Crowley when he died, so the "I am perplexed" comment is patently false. The reason why the tabloids hated him so much, is because he was promoting womens' rights, sexual freedom, and the exploration of religious practices from ancient times that didn't have a cross stamped on them. He lived in a time where table legs had to be covered because they were too stimulating to Victorian men. These are the tabloids that you get your data from. If any of the Christians bashing him ACTUALLY read what he wrote instead of just passing around quotes maybe you could understand why people still follow him. He says plainly "The Devil does not exist." in Magick:Liber ABA. Crowley was absolutely not a Satanist. It's as simple as that. The few references that people always use pull his statements terribly out of context, and all he is usually doing is commenting on Satan as an idea, considering that he devoted his life to studying religion its not hard to imagine that there are a few references to one of the most endearing fictional characters in the Western world.
Crowley himself thought that Hubbard was a fraud and an imbecile. So do I. People can take anything and use it as an excuse to exploit people's gullibility. Saying that because a few occultists have committed crimes, therefore all occultists worship the devil, sacrifice children, etc. is like saying that because priests rape children (which is actually prevalent and well documented) that all christians are child rapists. Now you will say "Well, Catholics are not real Christians." Well, guess what? Devil worshippers are not Thelemites, nor are they even worth much attention at all. The number of the kind of Satanists you are talking about is tiny. Now, on the other hand, the number of people who don't find any comfort whatsoever in religion is huge. The number of people who can see it as bronze age myths from sexist, xenophobic, and genocidal men attempting to control the ill-informed, is huge also. I will concede that in the bible there are beautiful sayings, as well as beautiful poetry, and it is an invaluable look into the culture of Hebrew people. But that does not make it true. Of course if you believe that something is the inerrant word of God, you will find evidence for it being true in one way or another. But that can be said for any religion, or any idea. If you go around thinking like a Muslim, you will find Muslim answers. If you look at the world through the lens of an Atheist, you will see an atheist world. If you believe that Jesus Christ has saved your soul, then you will go around believing it. But if he has, then why do Christians behave the same as everyone else, according to a large number of studies? Same divorce rate, same pregnancy rate, same addiction rate, as nonbelievers. In many cases, HIGHER. This is because they were raised with so much guilt that when they start to question the lies they are brought up with, the develop emotional problems and cope by turning to the things they were so adamantly told was forbidden fruit. Not to mention all of the murder, violence against women, slavery, genocide, pillaging, and mental disorder that has been caused and excused by Christianity.
You can believe the outdated systems of the past, or you can believe that all humans have been striving for some kind of sense of truth, and religion is the result of that. You take the religions, analyze them, and move forward humbly knowing that none of us has the answers, and we should grow and learn, and enjoy life, and be good to each other in the process. Then maybe we will have hope for the future.
Amuzed, you have written a comment long enough to become a hub in itself. I understand what you mean when you say we take thing sout of context. I don't understand why you seem to be so angry.
If I have things wrong, you should correct them instead of just saying it is wrong.
What you say about Catholics has nothing to do with Crowley. It is an attempt to distract from the article.
Also if you do come back to correct my errors, please show me some links with proof of what you wrie. Thank you for your time.
Great stuff. God bless you, and keep you.
SirDent said:
>Acquino went on to explain that the way they believe as >satanists will turn them into gods. He also declared, "We >are not servants of some god, we are our own gods." Oprah >appeared shocked in finding out this was the same belief >that New Agers believe.
>Oprah replied to Acquino the following quote. “Well, the >way you explain this is very the way a lot of people who >are into metaphysics now and the New Age movement and New >Age thinking, they say the very same thing. Are you saying >that it’s the same?” Acquino then answered without >wavering, "Yes."
>This shows that the New Age belief is rooted in the >doctrine of Aleister Crowley, the great beast, the writer >of the book of the law. Do as thou wilt is now a New Age >belief.
To Which I Can Not Keep Silent and Say:
I'm sorry to say that both Satanists AND Christians have got it wrong if they beleive Satan or Jesus to be some character EXTERNAL to themselves who can be petitioned.
I don't have much time to write this so I can't quote you all the scripture which makes it very clear that the above statements made by Acquino are mostly correct. God is WITHIN all of us and when you personally realize this you will experience the "birth" of "Jesus" within you. Before this happens God's existence within us gives us the ability to create things (both good and evil) in this world to assist in or make our lives hell. The only limitation to this power being our faith in the ability. "Satan" is the personification of complete disbelieve and denial of the existence of God within us. So to worship Satan is ... well... as ridiculous as expecting 144,000 faithful Christians to disappear in a "poof" as they get "raptured".
Neville Goddard gets into this way of thinking in depth as he "proves" the bible to be allegorical as opposed to a secular history book. See my the net or my hubs for more info.
-Peter
It seems a lot of people talked about Satan as if he is an entity of some sort. Of course if he is an entity as the Bible speaks of him, he certainly has many fooled into thinkiing he isn't real.
Jesus called him a liar and said the truth is not in him. Jesus did not say I am in everyone. He did not say God is in everything.
You seem to be also mistaken about the 144,000. These will be taken from the children of Israel.
You think you are God? Prove yourself to be God. God did it in the beginning and still does it today.
You are in error and you are also of the New Age religion.
Did you know that the new age religion is actually very very old? it started in Egypt if I recall correctly. Drinking of a mescaline-like substance and hallucinations is how it started. It resurged in the 50's and 60's with the hippy movement.
PJK- Well said Sir Dent:
It seems a lot of people talked about Satan as if he is an entity of some sort. Of course if he is an entity as the Bible speaks of him, he certainly has many fooled into thinking he isn't real.
PJK- All these people have been misled. The state of Satan is real. I'm suggesting all the bible's characters are states which man may find himself in. The "He's got you fooled" argument is typical rhetoric.
Jesus called him a liar and said the truth is not in him.
PJK- The man who wrote this bit of scripture was making the point that Satan i.e. disbelief in God (Who's told us his name is I AM) is not the truth
Jesus did not say I am in everyone. He did not say God is in everything.
PJK- I agree. We are told God is in all of us aren't we? and Jesus says none may go to the father but through me...so would not Jesus have to be God in me?
You seem to be also mistaken about the 144,000. These will be taken from the children of Israel.
PJK- Didn't this bug you ever since you first heard it a s a child? How could a loving God be so ... racist! If he created us all and loves us all, choosing a specific group is contradictory...I figured this out at 5. "Children of Israel" it turns out, is also is also allegorical. Suddenly it all makes sense.
You think you are God? Prove yourself to be God.
PJK- Only one thing to say to someone who says this to you. "Get behind me Satan!"
God did it in the beginning and still does it today.
PJK- Agreed. Everything in your life is but a creation of God's imagination tempered by the results of your freedom of choice. (That's good . Read it again. ;o)
You are in error and you are also of the New Age religion.
PJK- Don't want to argue my brother...just exchange ideas.
Did you know that the new age religion is actually very very old? it started in Egypt if I recall correctly.
PJK- When you say new age religion are you referring to non-conventional unapproved discussions about the questionable truthfulness of the things we've been told by religious "leaders" who have used religion for hundreds of years to control the thoughts and actions of the masses for their own benefit? Are you merely regurgitating what you've been fed all your life SirDent?
Drinking of a mescaline-like substance and hallucinations is how it started.
PJK- Dude! I just saw God! It was you!
It resurged in the 50's and 60's with the hippy movement.
PJK- Yep. The church lost control of man's mind as he started thinking and being free. Thank God!
Have you ever thought that maybe it is you who is misled? I tell you right now, I am not a Catholic. The church does not want to control anyone's mind. They only want to see people saved.
It is easy to say this is false or that is false. I see it constantly in the forums. It is much harder to prove it is false.
The spirit of the Lord resides in me. This does not make me God. It makes me a follower of Jesus Christ. That's all.
SirDent: Have you ever thought that maybe it is you who is misled?
PJK: Of course. I am open to discussion.
SirDnet: I tell you right now, I am not a Catholic.
PJK - Lucky you!
SirDent: The church does not want to control anyone's mind. They only want to see people saved.
PJK - HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. BULL F'N SH IT! The "church" is the one "group" responsible for more "sins" than any other in the history of man.
SirDent: It is easy to say this is false or that is false. I see it constantly in the forums. It is much harder to prove it is false.
PJK - Agreed. Its funny how when one discovers and is fully convinced by "the truth" one feels a need to make others understand. Kinda like why we're talking right now.
SirDent - The spirit of the Lord resides in me. This does not make me God. It makes me a follower of Jesus Christ. That's all.
PJK - If I cut a branch from a tree and plant it, and it grows as tall as the original tree...is it the same tree...or a different one? Same question for seeds.
God cuts off one of his branches and plants it in man. The branch grows and an infinite God wondrously expands.
"Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate. Our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond imagination." - author M. Williamson
You are losing credibility with me. Do you have any idea what the Church actually constitutes? it is made up of believers. It has nothing to do with the Pope or the cardinals and bishops.
I also dislike your use of profanity here. Don't do it again or I will refuse to allow your comment.
You speak of cutting a limb off of a tree. When it grows it is like the father tree, but it is not the same tree. Seds are the same. They will be similar, but not the same as the original.
God has not cut off any of His limbs. God created man in His image and likeness.
You seem to have a God complex. Have you ever talked to God about it? Satan has the same complex by the way.
Mr. Crowley received nothing from the devil.
You took the most important words out of that statement.
It is "Do what you will, and harm none"
It's wrong to misquote or omit. The Bible says "thou shall not bear false witness" Meaning slander
You state "Drinking of a mescaline-like substance and hallucinations is how it started. It resurged in the 50's and 60's with the hippy movemen"
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Do you believe everything you read? This is bunk.
You seem to be confused. The words "harm none" were added for wiccans after the original thelemic laws were written.
It seems that you don;t believe the devil can influence anyone. This man called himself the beast because he actually thought he was the beast.
Get your head out of the sand and look to God before it is too late. Stop your witchcraft and demonic activities and live rightly before the Lord.
Do you recall reading how Miriam danced before the Lord after crossing the Red Sea? During the 50's 60's LSD took over so many lives of young people. They also drank mescaline and had hallucinations.
Do you believe all the dancing and drug use was for God?
My dear brother SirDent.
It seems this hub has attracted many including myself who would seek to play the role of Moses and lead you out of Egypt.
I have been to the mountain top and I AM the lord.
I AM is the only God and I tell you this one more time. If you listen to what I've said (and Neville Goddard) then I will be so happy. Now that I have brought you this truth my obligation is over. If you don't accept it then you will die in your sins. We will meet some day and laugh about it.
You are the rock my brother and I bring you water...truth.
You may turn it into wine if you wish. For the power of God of course is really in you SirDent.
Once again:
The bible is not secular history. It is a manual for salvation. The author's of scripture described the STATES they went through as they experienced the birth of Jesus and awakening of God within themselves. They recorded this most holy experience in the form of allegorical stories using all the characters from Adam to Jesus...Saul to Paul...Israel to Mary. They did this so that you and I would recognize the coming of the Father as we fulfill scripture and play all the parts.
See my hubs for more.
-Peter
I am sure I can find the truth about God in your series of hubs titled celebrity panty hose.
Jesus is the one who led me out of Egypt.
>I am sure I can find the truth about God in your series of >hubs titled celebrity panty hose.
LOL! Well said SirDent. At least I know your interested enough in what I say to read my hubs. Of course I make no excuses for my God given sexual desires...rather I am thankful for them. It was "the church" we spoke of earlier who demonized sex and all things sexual.
Sorry to disappoint you but I didn't read any of your hubs. I went to your profile page and looked at the type of hubs you write.
You can believe anything you want to believe. Sex is good between married couples. Outside of marriage it is a sin.
The hate you feel for everyone is a darkness you need to overcome. When we don't agree with you, we are considered the enemy. How sad for you. It is worse to think you know God when you don't because you never seek truth.
Did your tarot cards tell you to say that?
No, they didn't
Hey Deborah, here is another hub you should read. A lot of people got a good laugh out of it and you may as well also.
You make me sick. All of those quotes were misinterpreted or muddied. You completely ignored the messages as they were meant to be seen. Neither of those men were "Satanists". Crowley was maybe a Luciferian but if you are truly following your word of God then any Christian should be a Luciferian. LaVey didn't believe in a God or Satan. Just Nature. Crowley merely combined the most profound and basic messages from every religion and encapsulated them into one. If you followed what he taught, you'd see that he would show his praise for God constantly. Do actual research. He never sacrificed. That would be against his code. He had morals and guidelines. He was saying that no religion is true, but that all have truth/"The Word Of God" in them. Every religion gets muddied by people's own goals and intentions eventually. It's about picking them apart and finding what's really correct and not some hidden agenda.
McBride, I am sorry you are sick. I am even more sorry that you think these people praised God. In what ways did they do this? By using drugs? Maybe by the sexual deviancies? S & M anyone? B & D? Orgy? Yes I can see how that would definitely glorify their god, (Satan).
You said every religion gets muddles by one owns goals, that may be true in most cases but God's goals are not muddled.
great information and insight. I am nauseated by the Hollywood gospel of evil where everyhthing is sexualized and demoralized. it really is a religion in itself and pushy one at that. It amazes me how many Christians will tolerate it by watching the stuff.
I agree wholeheartedly, Tamarajo. Thanks for stopping by and commenting.
Wow, I must say you stirred up a lot emotion with that hub of yours! Being ex-Satanic Priest myself I would haft to say that MOST of what you say is true AND YET I have never met ANYONE involved in main stream Satanism who conducted human sacrifice (at least not physically). To find out more on this subject you can read my three hubs on my conversion to Christianity entitled…”From Satanist To Salivation.” After you read those we will talk more…God Bless you It what you are trying to do, just make sure you steer away from propaganda that can be presented by both sides of the coin!
What I mean by that is to say if you want the whole story do not just rely on Christine websites but talk to people that has actually experienced these things first hand and though the grace of God permitted to live to tell their story, for I have meet some of people you have talked about! Once you read my hubs you will understand more about what I am telling you. Once again, God Bless you, and great hub!
Thanks for the offer Highvoltage. Most satanists do not want to really talk about what really goes on. They simply say they don't really follow or worship Satan.
I will take you up on your offer.
Interesting comments here Sir Dent. Do you have the original Thelemic Laws to read or post here? I would like to see what they really say instead of beating around the bush.
I do believe that the Medical oath uses this Harm none in the words they use, so it can't be all bad.
Yes this is true that most Santanist claim that satan is just symbol, at least in public. After all I have been though, I know for a fact that Satan is reall and that Jesus is also real and much more powerful!
I do not have them LG. I am sure they can be found online with a search.
Highvoltage, What you said is the truth. Many refuse to even acknowledge Satan being real let alone have the ability to influence them in some way.
Then by your very own statement how can you be so positive that this was added if you do not have themn to read in the first place: "You seem to be confused. The words "harm none" were added for wiccans after the original thelemic laws were written."
That is why I asked for them I do not go by anyone's word unless they have it right in front of them and I can see it for myself. You just said the you do not.
Google search it LG. The only suggestion I can give you.
http://kheph777.tripod.com/art_wicca-thelema.html
Scroll down to where it says The Wiccan Rede and you will see this, """Eight words the Wiccan Rede fulfill, An it harm none, do what thou Wilt". It is very often considered a theft by Gardner of the Thelemic Law "Do what thou Wilt shall be the whole of the Law".""
Thank you for taking the time to lookit up and i WILL READ IT *IN FULL* and not take any of it out of context so that I get th full meaning.
I found something else of rlevance to this and will quote it. It is from the site Religious Tolerance which is non-biased in nature.
"Editor’s Note: Aleister Crowley (1875 – 1947) contributed greatly to the "magical revival,” as it has been called, during the first half of the 20th Century. His written works have had a profound effect on the practice of Magick. In addition, Satanism, as currently practiced by the Church of Satan and similar groups, have relied heavily on a sensationalistic interpretation of his writings. There are even marks of his influence in the writings of Gerald Gardner, the individual most responsible for the recreation of Wicca circa 1950.
Unfortunately, many conservative Christian authors have associated Crowley's beliefs and practices with Mediaeval Satanism. The latter was a form of Satan worship that did not exist in reality. The Christian church invented it in order to provide the theological and legal justification for the Witch burnings of Western Europe. Because of this association, most of the writings by Fundamentalist and other Evangelical Christians about the Law of Thelema and Crowley are hopelessly inaccurate, and may be safely ignored.
The following accurate material was provided by Alexander Duncan, B.A. (Hon.) (Dept. of English, York University, North York, Ontario, Canada) Permission to copy, reproduce, or distribute this material is freely granted provided there is no charge and the name and e-mail address of the author is included in every copy. Alexander Duncan can be contacted by email at sethian@rogers.com."
Here is the whole quote that you missed a part of:
“Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law” and “Love is the law, love under will.”
LG you are welcome.
Yes Crowley was a part of the magic revival and mysticism also. Gerald Gardner is believed to have copied some of Crowley's work by some.
Why don't you explain to me what that means to you. The quote (“Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law” and “Love is the law, love under will.”)
Then we can go from there.
Do what thous wilt as the whole of the law is only compared to a few of Jesus' words such as Do Unto Others As They Would Have Them Do Unto You and What you sow you shall reap, and Love Your neighbors as yourself. Love is the Law means Love is everything and all things. Same as Jesus's words there again.
If I don't get back to respond then you and yours Have a Very Merry Christmas. Peace be WITHIN you, my friend for that is where everything is.
Hi again LG. Let me first say Merry Christmas to you and I hope you will be blessed during this season.
Do what thou wilt, to me, means do anything you want to do, even though there may be some adverse consequences to some of the things you do.
As far as love your neighbor as yourself goes, is it OK to allow your neighbor to be hurt, when you know it is going to happen, without letting them know? Just as a smoke detector warns of a possible fire, do you think it is right to not warn someone of that same fire if you saw it but they didn't?
Did the Christinas that came over to America warn those Native American Indians that they would be killed by influenza, small pox and put on reservations because they did not believe in their religion?
Were the Iraqi's warned that they will be killed by us when only certain people did not like the way they worshipped? Remember most of them did not have TV or a news reporter who would warn them that they would lose their very lives for what a certain few believed or by their actions.
Who told the animals and plant and land that is now Afghanistan they they would be blown to bits because of what humans would be doing?
As far as Love Your neighbor---if they weren't hurt would they learn something invaluable to give back to life and love? Really think about this deeply. The things that we enjoy and have in our lives all got here by what........just because or were there changes that had to be made to get them. Nessesity(sp) is the mother of invention. How are the automobiles getting better if there aren't people who are getting hurt in or by them? They wouldn't if no one was hurt.
How was the Fire/Smoke detector made or came into invention....by people getting hurt and therefore making things better for others. Without the people getting hurt there would be no warning.
It always takes something bad to happen to make something better......or not. This is what makes the world go round. It is a myth that we would ever have peace. Peace means different things to different people and different individuals.
Just as Do what thou wilt is being taken out of context here many take verses of scripture out of context. Those words are taken and used as all there is and don't include all of the quote. You can tell others what certain scripture means but it only means that to you. You don't know what the meaning was behind the words until you were there in the person shoes and in that time period. We have words that have morphed today from what they really meant say 30 years ago. One of those words is GAY. If we read something in say 100 years from now that word would have a different meaning and we would put that future meaning on that word and it changes the true meaning that it had in the past. This goes also for language, culture, history and the like to anything in history and time before and after us.
Your comment is way too long for nme to addres all points and some of it wasn't even necessary.
Jesus said, "Love your neighbor as you love yourself." Can I, in all good conscience, allow my neighbor to walk into the pits of hell without warning him of the danger?
I will say this and let it go. I agree that many take the Bible out of context. What many miss is that the Bible cannot be understood, interpreted, or explained. The Bible is revealed by the Holy Ghost, then only to those who believe it.
Who told you that? It certainly wasn't Jesus. It appears to me that you cannot or will not read what I have posted. It all makes sense. Will you go to each and every person who you think is going to be harmed in an imaginery hell (that is another discussion altogether) and tell them not to go there. I want to see you do that to millions of people who get in the way of progress. No you can't let them do as God wills them too because you don't and can't know what that is withou living their lives and being in their heads. That is only for GOD to know not mere mortals such as yourself. If God is in everything and controls everything, don't you think we should not mettle in his affairs and let him do his job?
Okay now I will nto be able to respond to this until maybe Monday. Have Merry Christmas Virgil.
I read what you posted. Most of it has nothing to do with this hub. You posted them in order to accuse me.
You can tell people that hell is imaginary if you want. I must tell them the truth. Have you read where Jesus speaks of hell in the Bible?
You keep saying God is in everything, but I have never said that in my life. God isn't in everything.
Since the beginning, God used menand women. He will continue to use them. Satan also uses men and women. Satan can do nothing of his own accord without someone to work through.
Sorry LG. I forgot to say Merry Christmas to you. I hope you have a good one.
Christianity is NOT the only way to truth,take a step back and look at the big picture. Jesus was just an enlightened mystic who was trying to say that we are all god but instead of emulating him, people worshiped him and got stuck in that one track of thinking. Crowley traveled the world and studied all types of philosophy and mysticism. Just picking one and telling everyone else to follow it is foolish. Nice try.
Kevin, are you saying God is a fool? He is the One who made the way. If all ways are right, why do some make it by committing murder and rape and others have to be poverty stricken to make it? You make absolutely no sense whatsoever.
There is salvation by one man and only one, His name is Jesus. He was not a mystic, but was the Son of God.
I am and was not looking to you as an accuser. Who told you that?
God made everything and he said that everything was good. That is what is says in that Bible. You were not a christian and now you are. You said that my answer did not have anything to do with this hub, yet you asked the question of me and I gave you my answer. You said that you didn't understand it and so I tried to make it clearer. Becasue you did not understand and you asked the question and I answered it it now becomes not on the hub topic? So be it that you do not understand, but I know that you do. I would like to know how and why you put all of your trust in some religion? It is very apparnet that you are not the same person that I met some 3-4 years ago and that you are becoming someo's puppet. Is that Satan doing that to you and how can you be totally sure and positive. This does have everything to do with the hubs contents.
I also can see that anything that goes against what you have been told is now the devil or that someone is mocking God. Do you seriously believe this stuff or do you have doubts? Have you seen hell and have you researched what was going on at the time of the writing and in the people's lives that wrote the books/letters of the Bible. I know that you haven't becasue some man or religion is now telling you that they are all evil. Ever wonder, really wonder why that is? What are they really protecting you from--the truth perhaps
Look, I had a good friend about 3 years ago and he was a fun friend and we laughed and understod each other and then something happened and it was and is not good. I just want my friend back, not this judgmental, hateful, blind person.
Aren't you doing the same---Do As Thou Wilt?
Lady Guinevere 5 hours ago
I am and was not looking to you as an accuser. Who told you that?
Your words are accusing when you said, "Who told you that? It certainly wasn't Jesus. It appears to me that you cannot or will not read what I have posted. It all makes sense."
SirDent: I did read what you posted. You wrote about why fire alarms and such things were invented, when I asked if we should allow our neighbors to suffer when we can help them.
God did indeed create everything and saw that it was good. That is written in Genesis. I am sure you have read it. I wonder if you have read anywhere that Jesus spoke of the devil, or satan? I also wonder if you have read where Jesus spoke of hell?
I also wonder if you have any concept of what sin actually is?
Pro 25:24 It is better to dwell in the corner of the housetop, than with a brawling woman and in a wide house.
I am God
That's what many people actually think, Kevin. They say that all the time and yet everything on the earth is still such a gigantic mess. If what they say is true, then they would fix the mess.
To me it is all crap.
Wrong thinking SD. The world is ours and God gave it to us. When he released us for the garden he made us work for what we have. We are God because we are repsonsible for what we think, our emotions and our deeds. It is those Christians whow are thinking that they are going to be taken from this earth to a better place so that God can clean up their mess. It's a gigantic mess because people think that way. So how many Christians you know that believe they are going to be taken up actually care what messes they are leaving behind?
We are God's of our own worlds because by thought and deed and make our own world. That is why we are to love our neighbors as thyself and to do unto others as you would have them do to you.
LG, there are more Christians than you think that care what happens to this world. No matter if we are taken up or not, we are to care for this world. God gave us dominion over it, meaning we are caretakers of it.
I expected your reply saying my thinking is wrong. Kevin simply stated that he is God. The same thinking Satan uses. Look at what happened to him.
If you are god of your world, then what are you doing in mine? Take care of your world and let me worry about mine. It is that simple.
Okay and I hope that you have a happy and prosperous New Year. Just what are you doing in my world. Remember you fist made contact with me via Yuwie.
A thought in passing: Jesus did the same thing and look what happened to him.
Have a good one!
Yes I did tell you about HubPages via YUWIE. You were trying to make a little money there and this place is way better than YUWIE.
But even as I told you about HubPages, I did not force anything onto you. I certainly haven't gone around HubPages trying to defame you or anyone else for that matter. This is a writing site.
Do what thou Wilt shall be the whole of the Law.
This is one of the most misinformed articles I have ever read. Just so you know, there is a code of ethics tied to Thelema. Do what thou Wilt does not mean you can do whatever you want. It is a directive to find out what your True Will (divine will) is and fulfill that throughout your life.
Adding something in about Adolfo Constanzo and Sara Aldrete that is totally unrelated to Thelema is totally wrong. They did not practice Crowley's system of Thelema, they practiced a combination Santeria and Aztec religion.
Thelema does NOT advocate hurting anyone. It is actually frowned upon as it is interfering with another's will.
Comparing mainstream Thelema to Left-Hand Path religions like the Temple of Set and the Church of Satan really does not give one the full spectrum. If you actually understood anything you would understand that none of the religions actually recognize Satan as an actual entity.
Before posting such rubbish, one should research the topic one is writing about. Get your facts straight.
Love is the Law, Love under Will.
Nice comment Israfel. Have you ever wondered why things changed in the thelemic law, the written part? also I would wonder why you would defend someone who was obviously a sexual deviant and may have even promoted sex with children.
Once something is written down, it is there for all to see whoc an gain access to it. Changing it makes no difference. The original will always be there.
The information presented in this article is inaccurate and riddled with misconceptions and errors. The author evidently lacks even a partial understanding of the topic. Furthermore, it seems that the author lacks the ability to comprehend anything that falls outside their limited and narrow paradigm. Sin of Pride.
The introduction suggests that "you pray before reading further and pray as you read". Well, it should also suggest that you are about to read a biased and misinformed opinion that will be presented as fact. The reader should be cautioned to conduct their own research into the truth, since it won't be found in this article. So sad that people blindly believe this slander.
I echo the view of Israfel: "Before posting such rubbish, one should research the topic one is writing about. Get your facts straight." AMEN to that!
I am not a Thelemite. I am irreligious, and not concerned for that portion of discussion, please do not bring it up further in response to this.
I merely wish to point out that you have severely misinterpreted Crowley's words.
"Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law."
This statement does not in any way mean, 'do whatever you want'. It is more accurately a way of saying, 'seek your destiny, and fulfill it. This is the law'.
Timothy Leary said it best.
"He became this kind of hippy hero, but this is hugely open to misinterpretation. Do what though wilt shall be the whole of the law - basically, what that means is: each of us has a purpose in life. This was the Crowley philosophy. That we are each put on Earth to achieve certain goals. And the purpose of our being on Earth is to discover what that destiny is and to follow it no matter what - the idea of true will. What it does't mean is: 'Hey, you can do whatever you like, because you don't have to worry about the consequences.' that's a total misunderstanding of what Crowley was actually saying."
In regards to why anyone would defend a man who may have been a sexual deviant? I would defend any mans words that were being misinterpreted and slandered against. I would defend your very own bible if I thought it was necessary, and it certainly advocates a variety of sexual deviancies.
Posting opinion as fact is the most despicable way to write. Please keep that in mind in the future.
Why would someone write something that is so open ended? You spoke against using opinion, yet you did the exact same thing.
As far as religious discussion is concerned, I can talk about whatever I want. I think you need to go back and re read the Bible. Sexual deviancies are mentioned, but never condoned by God.
I would not mind discussing with you, but you must remove the chip from your shoulder first.
People forget the point about Crowley, who presented himself by the name of Beast. I mean one of the very characteristic of the Beast is that he lies and deceive people.
Of course Crowley is not going to clearly state "hey, I follow Satan, so when I say do what thou wilt, as to fulfill your destiny, I wan't to deceive you into following the destiny Satan wants you".
Because that's exactly what Crowley's teaching are about, and that's why its followed by Satanists, Wiccans, Khabbalists or Scientologists and not Jewish people, Muslims, Christians or Hindus...
I've meat many Magick apprentice and Satanists wanabe: how little do they know they've been fooled and as as being external to their own ego, you can really see what they are to arrogant to see: The promise of freedom, creation and joy didn't bring them much but corruption of their soul and attitudes towards other people.
Don't be stupid, by the very first definition we all know about, the snake is a charmer that use lies and deceit to seduce people. So no matter what you wan't to believe about Crowley's teaching, so mere good sense and some critic of Aleisters work itself is enough to see the trap...unless you've already been blinded...
Hmm. Christianity.. Kill for God, worship without thought, destroy and kill those who dont believe as you. Force your religion on others. Use fear and torture and rape to get people to convert. Burn them at the stake or imprison those who dont convert to your beliefs. Yet if people dont follow Christianty they are the murderers? The hate mongers who are evil and do ill will? You Christians need to look at your own bible and what your beliefs do to people. And how you judge and treat others. Your superstitions have lead to murder, rape, torture, lies, and death throughout this world. Yet you have the gall to call others evil? look at your own back yard before looking at others. And we dont have a god that says I love you. But if you do one thing I dont like I am going to send you to a place of smoke, fire, pain, agony, screaming, and anguish forever and ever, because we are not perfect.
Well, Damian, I think you are confused. Christianity does not say kill for God or kill those who do not believe. If it did, you would not be here but would be dead yourself.
If people do not follow Christ, they are headed for destruction.
Yes I do have the gall to call evil, evil and wicked, wicked.
Lies, lies, lies - you have it totally backwards. Christianity is the true road to destruction, and one of the most evil and untrue religions ever perpetrated upon the world. Thelema and other philosophies of self-determinism provide true hope and love to an individual. It's very unfortunate Christians have been blinded by this wickedness wrapping itself in the cloak of goodness.
Isa 5:20 Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!
For a little bit of education:
Crowley - "Do what Thou wilt, shall be the whole of the Law. Love is the Law, Love under Will." (Notice Thou is not thou, i.e. pertaining to the Higher Self).
Saint Augustine of Hippo - "Dilige, et quod vis fac" (Love, and do what you will), or sometimes quoted "Ama Deum et fac quod vis" (Love God, and do what you want).
My goodness, maybe Saint Augustine was also a Satanist.
If your religion is the only thing keeping you from murdering people, then you're an abomination yourself. Open your eyes to love. You do not need religion to love.
Not every one will go to heaven so if there are people that go to hell so be it. I will not try to make it to heaven because I know I am a sinner and I AM THAT I AM and now one can change that about me.
For one person to go to heaven then there has to be one or two that go to hell so the word of your god can be true.
Please look at my hubs as you seem to know what you are talking about here. I would love to get some good feed back on that stuff. Great hub. It is a shame that LG could not come to see the truth. Keep her in prayer binding up the things which have wrapped cords upon her mind.
Time to grow.
Do as thou wilt (the first half of The Whole Law - Choice).
The animals came in two by two (Everything in the universe has another part)
Sow as thou reap (The second half of The Whole law - consequence)...
Reap as you sow (Universal Law = The Perfect Law)
Alester Crowley probably thought he was home free and then became 'perplexed' when he realised nearing death that he was as fallable (no god) as the next man. He could not have known the part missing from his key to life.
Do what you like, but remember the most important part to the key...
Your life is as you sow
Jesus knew this when he said, "Forgive them father for they know not what they do (they do not understand the consequences of their actions)."
Religion is empty and lame. Religion can not save you cause itself is a form of slavery. GOD alone will do, that is all. Do What Thou Wilt.
Vladimir Uhri 3 years ago
Very good information.
Thanks