Where is Hell?
68Hell is Real
Introduction
A companion of a newly converted Christian said to him one day, "Can you tell me where hell is?" After a moment's hesitation the young Christian said, "Yes, it's at the end of a Christ-less life." ~ Author Unknown
This is a very provocative and bold statement. There is a lot being said here that is easily missed if not read carefully. This hub will be about a Christ-less life. I will do my best to show where hell is and why hell is where it is.
Christ-less Life
Many have refused the sacrifice of Jesus for their sins. They believe they should pay for them with their own death and torment, or that Jesus isn't good enough for them. Some believe there is no such thing as redemption, while others believe there is nothing after this life.
The word hell is written in the KJV Bible 54 times in 54 different passages of scripture.The first mention of the word hell is
Deu 32:22 For a fire is kindled in mine anger, and shall burn unto the lowest hell, and shall consume the earth with her increase, and set on fire the foundations of the mountains.
Another great passage about hell is a statement Jesus Himself made about it.
Mat 25:41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
Jesus said that hell was prepared for the devil and his angels. What this tells me is that man was not meant to go to hell. Any man, woman, or child who goes there will be a trespasser. They will get the same torment that Satan is worthy of simply because they refuse Christ.
Hell is Very Accurate
Why Men go to Hell
God created Adam perfect. Adam had the choice to do anything he wanted to do. Nothing was a sin except for one small thing. He was not to eat the fruit of one tree in the Garden of Eden. He could eat of every other tree, but not the tree of knowledge of good and evil.
Now why would God allow this tree to be there? I can't answer that question with certainty, but I can speculate about it. God didn't create man to "MAKE" him obedient. Obedience is a choice that we make. Adam had to choose.
So Adam chose to eat the forbidden fruit. He chose imperfection over perfection, evil over good. Satan deceived the woman, Eve, and caused her to eat the fruit. She gave to Adam and he ate also. Both made the choice to eat regardless of the temptation of Satan.
From that time forward, anyone born was born with a sin nature. We are all sinners because of this sin nature. A question for you to think about. When you were a child, who taught you how to tell a lie?
Satan as an Angel of Light
Why Does There Have to be a Hell?
Many don't know why hell was created in the first place. They believe God wants to send men to hell, but this is not the case. God actually created hell for the devil and his angels.Jesus spoke the Word Himself concerning the reason for hell. Mat 25:41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
Man was never meant to go to hell, but was created perfect in every way. As I stated earlier, man made a bad decision. it is the decision that man made that will condemn him to hell.
Jesus Crucifixion
How Can One Keep out of Hell?
God didn't condemn man and leave him out to dry. Even though man made the mistake of disobeying Him, God fixed it so that man could get back to where he once was. One thing He never did was take away man's freedom to choose. Man chooses his own way or God's way. God's way brings man back to the grace of God, but his own way condemns him to hell.
God made one way to redeem man from the world. He sent His Word, His Son, to die on the cross for the sins of all men. A gift that was given freely to all who will accept it. It is still offered to those who haven't accepted it yet. It cost man nothing, but cost God everything.
Jesus was more than just a man or a good teacher. He was the Son of God, the Word of God, and also He was God in a body of flesh. He showed the way. There is no other way for man to be saved. God has spoken it, and He does not change His word.
Joh 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
Joh 3:17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
Reading the scriptures above, one can see that Jesus didn't condemn anyone. That isn't why He came. He came to redeem man because man was already condemned. You can also see that God will not force man to serve him or accept Jesus. It must be a free choice made by each individual. It is now time for you to believe in Jesus and confess your sins before Him.
Rev 22:17 And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.
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Thank you very much Sweetie for being the first to comment here.
I consider this to be a good hub about a subject many who choose either not to discuss or not to believe. Even with you embracing a Christ centered life and admonishing actions that can get one sent to hell, you still have managed to make it clear that it is always the choice of the individual as to whether or not they choose to serve God.
Thank you Talented Ink for the comment and encouragement. It is true many refuse to say anything about hell cause they either don't want to offend people or don't believe it is real. It is the duty of a child of God to warn other of impending doom even when they refuse to believe it.
Ridiculous!!!
Good for you in writing about hell and that it is real. Too many people do not believe in it and sadly not enough churches preach on it these days. It is real and people are there now and going there and man will not just be winked out, (evil men,) they will be conscious forever in this place of torment. I do not believe children under the age of adulthood is held accountable for their disbeliefs. I read a book called, 23 minutes in Hell by Bill Wiese, whom God sent to Hell in a powerful vision to tell him to warn others that Jesus is coming soon. Bill did not see any children there, only adults who in their adult lives made the wrong choice. He said that hell is inside the center of the Earth. It was a great book if your interested in reading it.
Why do you say it is ridiculous Dan? It is from God's own Word. It is a choice made by everyone where they end up in eternity.
Thanks Sciantel for the comment. I am not worried about the actualy physical location of hell. This hub was written about where hell is in the spiritual sense.
we all have the choice where we spend eternity its not God fought if we go to hell we make that choice ourselves Great hub and God Bless
I love this hub so much Sirdent. Dan, it is rude and disrespectful to say this is ridiculous. Maybe if you open your heart to what sirdent has written here you will see.
Thank you Commentonthis and Great Hub for the comments.
No, I refuse to state the facts over and over on the same website. Go to "Is Hell Evil" for the explanations. Rude isn't the word that I would use to describe the teaching of hell. There is no word vulgar enough to describe it.
Dan, I ask you one question. Who knows more. God or man?
Great hub! Many people believe that in order to be a proper christian you have to be perfect. Their is no such thing as a "proper christian". We all sin and we all do it everyday, the difference between heaven and hell is accepting the gift that jesus has given all of us.
God by an infinate margin. It's obvious that most people no nothing about God. The scriptures declare this and this is proven by false translations and even more false interpretations by the churches of men. You know where to find my explanatons.
Dan, I keep seeing the same argument. Jesus spoke Himself about hell. In fact He spoke more of hell than of heaven. Jesus said what will happen in hell. He spoke of the whole reason for hell being created. Man is hellbent on going to hell. That's a fact. They refuse the way that God made and when they do that they say their way is better than His.
They in fact try to put their throne above the throne of God just as Satan did many years ago. For this very reason satan was cast out of heaven. You can believe what I wrote or not. the choice is yours. Men can twist words to make them seem to be what they are not. When the Word of God is twisted, it is no longer the Word of God, but the word of man.
SirDent - This may come as a surprise, but I commend you for this hub. You have set out what you believe and largely resisted the temptation to vilify or demonise those who don't share your belief.
I don't share your beliefs. In fact, as far as possible, as a life principle, I try to dispense with belief and merely leave open questions that cannot be closed. This means that if, after my death, I find myself in hell, then I'll believe in it. But I don't need to clutter my life with such notions.
Thanks for the comment Paraglider. Like I said above, the choice is for everyone to make. I can't make the choice for anyone but myself.
A great effort dear friend for a hub which maximum will not accept. God as you mentioned has made provisions for man to come back to good and follow God's path. But man himself destroys himself by considering himself superior to God.
Great job.. good luck
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SirDent, the authorized version of the KJ has the word hell listed 54 times, only. 31 of them come from the word Sheol which means unseen (the realm of the dead where there is no conciousness). I think 9 of them are hades which is the Greek version of Sheol. One is Tartarus which is only spoken of in association with angelic beings and the rest are Gehenna which was a litteral location, spoken of by Christ as an example for judgement. The rest of the so called "" hell references are never translated with the word hell. They mostly represent judgement which is aionios (age lasting). Your teachings are hope killers and aren't scriptural. May your eyes be openned, God willing.
H7585???? / ?????she'o?lBDB Definition:1) sheol, underworld, grave, hell, pit1a) the underworld1b) Sheol - the OT designation for the abode of the dead1b1) place of no return1b2) without praise of God1b3) wicked sent there for punishment1b4) righteous not abandoned to it1b5) of the place of exile (figuratively)1b6) of extreme degradation in sinPart of Speech: noun feminineA Related Word by BDB/Strong’s Number: from H7592Same Word by TWOT Number: 2303c
This is the Brown Driver Briggs Hebrew commentary definition of the very first time hell appears in the KJV.
Deu 32:22 For a fire is kindled in mine anger, and shall burn unto the lowest hell, and shall consume the earth with her increase, and set on fire the foundations of the mountains.
That is the first time hell is mentioned in the KJV Bible. Now let's see what else is said following thiis first time hell is mentioned.
Deu 32:23 I will heap mischiefs upon them; I will spend mine arrows upon them.
Deu 32:24 They shall be burnt with hunger, and devoured with burning heat, and with bitter destruction: I will also send the teeth of beasts upon them, with the poison of serpents of the dust.
Go ahead and check the verses with your own Bible.
I do have a question for you since you seem to be hellbent on proving hell is not a real place. Where does satan and his angels end up?
In the Lake of Fire. But this is not the end. Salvation is the end for all.
Excuse me. The beginning!!
So if I read you correctly, the devil and his angels will be saved?
My book tells me the location of Shangri-La. Just as believable.
Only in your mind CD. The sad thing is that you knew the way once before and left it. Would you care to tell us why you left it? Maybe you could sign up for an account and start writing about your experiences here.
Only in my mind? Well, where is your proof, except from someone's mind? That's what the bible is, the product of men's minds.
Thanks for the suggestion, but no thanks. I shed the chains of theism when I realized that it is all myth. You would in all likelihood be a devout moslem if you were born in Saudi Arabia. You would in all likelihood be a devout hindu if you were born in India. You would in all likelihood be a devout buddhist if you were born in Japan. And their gods would be damning xians to hell.
The Lake of Fire was created for Satan and his messangers. So yes, I do believe Satan and his messangers will be saved. You'd be surprised at what God's all consuming spiritual fire can do to change the minds of the lost. You'll find out.
Well then what was the point of Jesus dying at all according to Dan?
Not to save people from some sick hell fable, Dent!! To save mankind? Yes. From death, sickness, pain, and destruction. And if hypothetically, the Christian hell existed for most of mankind to burn in eternally, why then, did Christ have to die? Stop calling Christ a failure.
Sin is the supresssion of Knowledge and a snake did NOT tempt Eve--A beautiful Angel did...hence women are evil and stupid and brought man to his death--only that would mean that man didn't have a brain to think for himself. Hell is a physical place in the original biblical texts. Only thing is these Christians won't read anything other then what they are told to read and everything else doesn't matter or is gravely wrong. That is brainwashing! Hitler did tht very well. It is a control thing and not a growth thing. God.Universe wants us to grow else we wouldn't be here at all and the only way to grow is to read.....and experience and ask questions. Jesus said the book is unreliable himself. He is the one who tells us to seek and find and ask and receive. God is not a jealous God. That's rediculous and a lie!! That is a MAN's emotion, not a God emotion. God already knows all so why would he set up this game--just for his pleasure of seeing us fall and crawl back on our hands and knees--that is a resentful, and revengeful emotion and response and that is only from MAN.
Dan says:9 hours ago
Not to save people from some sick hell fable, Dent!! To save mankind? Yes. From death, sickness, pain, and destruction. And if hypothetically, the Christian hell existed for most of mankind to burn in eternally, why then, did Christ have to die? Stop calling Christ a failure.
SirDent: According to one of your previous comemnts. Jesus died in vain. Hell is a cleasning fire that will save any and all who enter into it, according to your comment. It seems to me that you are the one calling Jesus a failure.
Lady Guinevere says:8 hours ago
Sin is the supresssion of Knowledge and a snake did NOT tempt Eve--A beautiful Angel did...hence women are evil and stupid and brought man to his death--only that would mean that man didn't have a brain to think for himself. Hell is a physical place in the original biblical texts. Only thing is these Christians won't read anything other then what they are told to read and everything else doesn't matter or is gravely wrong. That is brainwashing! Hitler did tht very well. It is a control thing and not a growth thing. God.Universe wants us to grow else we wouldn't be here at all and the only way to grow is to read.....and experience and ask questions. Jesus said the book is unreliable himself. He is the one who tells us to seek and find and ask and receive. God is not a jealous God. That's rediculous and a lie!! That is a MAN's emotion, not a God emotion. God already knows all so why would he set up this game--just for his pleasure of seeing us fall and crawl back on our hands and knees--that is a resentful, and revengeful emotion and response and that is only from MAN.
SirDent: This is laughable LG. A serpent tempted Eve to eat from a tree that was forbidden for them to even touch. She ate then took and gave it to Adam and he ate also. Adam chose to eat it himself.
Exo 34:14 For thou shalt worship no other god: for the LORD, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God:
There many more scriptures that mention a Jealous God. Do you believe God can keep His word intact without errors?
I never once said Christ died in vain. Christ voluntared to empy himself of His previous glory, to live in physical flesh. His teachings were for those given the spiritual fruits to understand and live by them. The few will reign with Christ for the aions (not eternity). The rest of mankind will enter into judgment aionios. Even though the many cannot live by Christ's example, they will be held accountable by the word of God.
Christ died as the ultimate sin offering. The sacrifices performed in the OT were representative of the One Sacrificial Lamb. Those sacrifices never obsolved people of their sins. They were only for the purpose of forgiveness (they were type and shaddow). Because of Christ dying on the cross, mankind has been and will be forgiven for all sins. However, full repentance is still necessarry for one to be saved. This is why mankind must be judged, either during their physical lives or in the Lake of Fire. So, you still don't understand how fire is used as a symbol in scripture?
Sir Dent me thinks you better read you bible a bit more. There are two accounts of the beginning!
Here is a site to read and look at and find information--I don't expect you to do it becasue you are not ready for that, but I will give it to you anyway: http://reluctant-messenger.com/main.htm
I have to go do some things away from the computer today so I will be back on Monday to see if you have read anything of that site? Laugh all you want--the knowledge of the truth is being kept from you! Daemons were also a good thing until someone religious person decied they were evil. Looke that one up!
LG, there is only one account of creation. People who have no idea what the Bible is really about are the ones who say there are two different creations.
Demons were never good and still aren't good. That is new age teachings that stems from drug abuse of hallucinatory drugs.
Dan, if the fires of hell or the lake of fire will cleanse mankind, then the death of Jesus is moot and means nothing. I know how the fire is used in scriptures. The fire is used to purify gold, brass and silver. We must go through the fire to be cleansed.
The fires of hell and the lake of fire are different fires. It is not the same, or the Word would say we must all go through hell to be cleansed. Or it would say the devil and his angels are thrown into the fire to be cleansed.
Do you have your own website that I can view to see better where you are coming from? If so please post it here. I don't mind links being posted as long as they're not spam.
Not my site, but, bible-truths.com.
The thing is, is that you can't begin to explain why the Lake of Fire is any different than the all purifying fire of God. It's all the same, except the Lake of Fire takes place after the resurection. Do I need to remind you of how aion is used, also?
You are truly Brainwashed! I read the Bible and studied it for many, many yers and yet there is still two accounts of the creation........nuff said! Open yuor eyes and your mind and New Ages is what"""????????? thousands of years old-- in that respect the Bible is the New Age!
You say you studied the Bible. I can believe that. I studied it too a long time ago when i didn't believe in anything. The Bible is revealed by the spirit of God, not by the mind of man.
Also, you have stated before that the Bible has been changed. You say it isn't in it's original form and it was changed to suit what men wanted. Yes you will believe the so called "lost books" which were written by agnostic and/or gnostics.
I can assure you that God's Word is not lost. I have been called brainwashed before and that doesn't bother me if you believe that.
Did you know that those who worshiped the goddess Isis used mescaline to get their visions? Reminds me of the 60s when people used LSD and Peyote to get their visions and hallucinations.
Dan I will have to get back with you. Still checking that site over. Would like to know if you believe everything thsat site states.
I don't have to believe everything that site states. What I must believe is the word of God. Where Ray teaches the word, I can believe it. Where he's speculating, he makes it clear and I don't always necessarily agree. I've studied the site long enough to notice slight modifications in his understandings. That's ok with me. I think he is spot on about the major doctrines of the church, though.
Dan, have you studied the Word for yourself? I recall Jesus praying in the Garden of Gethsemane saying, "Father, if there is another way, let this cup pass from me."
If hell is for cleansing and purification, wouldn't that make it another way? I am trying to graps what you are saying but having difficulty doing so. I am stuck on the fact that it seems you say that Jesus death and sacrifice is meaningless and was unnecesary.
CD says:5 days ago
Only in my mind? Well, where is your proof, except from someone's mind? That's what the bible is, the product of men's minds.
Thanks for the suggestion, but no thanks. I shed the chains of theism when I realized that it is all myth. You would in all likelihood be a devout moslem if you were born in Saudi Arabia. You would in all likelihood be a devout hindu if you were born in India. You would in all likelihood be a devout buddhist if you were born in Japan. And their gods would be damning xians to hell.
SirDent: Who told you it was all a myth? Did someone prove it to you or you just decide it on your own?
Hell doesn't save anybody because it's a damn mistranslation. The fire of God saves everybody. It is aionos (age or ages lasting).
Do you think I consider the ultimate Sin Offering to have died in vain? Why would His death not be in vain if it only saves some? You are deep into modern day babylonian reasoning.
What does Dan say 1 day ago?
Dan says:26 hours ago
Hell doesn't save anybody because it's a damn mistranslation. The fire of God saves everybody. It is aionos (age or ages lasting).
Do you think I consider the ultimate Sin Offering to have died in vain? Why would His death not be in vain if it only saves some? You are deep into modern day babylonian reasoning.
SirDent: I said that's what it seems to me that YOU are saying. The fire of the Holy Ghost is not the same fire as the Lake of Fire.
Why was the tree in the garden?
The tree was there because God knew Adam would eat the fruit. God knows the outcome of all things. Imagine a timeline laid out before you of your life. See where you were born, see when you die. You are standing over the timeline and you see beginning and ending with all points in between. This is the Way God views CREATION. Since He is not subject to time but exisits in eternity, He can view the CREATION He created from beginning to end.
So why the Tree?
God wants the one thing that does not exist in the CREATION He created which is a person with free will/free choice. God created man to make one simple choice, no not the tree, but to choose of his own free will to love God. Man was created to be like God with free choice/free will. He knew Adam would make the choice and He made a plan for Man's redemption when man would choose to love Him.
Why is there hell - sheol - place of the dead - the pit prepared for the devil and his angels who rebelled against God -- so those who of their own freewill/ free choice have someplace to Go that does not include God. Each person is eternal, supernatural, we have an eternal soul that will not be destroyed.
So if a person wants nothing to do with God, He says "Okay, I've got a place for you so you will never be in my presence!"
Very well said pacwriter.
Of course it's the same fire, Dent. The Lake of Fire is just a more massive judgment because most will go through it. Could you tell me what the purpose is for brimstone (spiritual brimstone) in torturing people or merely seperating them from God?
Well Dan, I must say that I disagree with you completely. Your last comment is showing me that being cast into the lake of fire is acutally being baptized into the Holy Ghost. I wish you well on your journey, but I aks you to repent of your sins and accept Jesus as your Savior, ask Him to guide you and reveal His Word to you.
Water baptisim represented dying to the carnal flesh. The Lake of Fire will destroy all carnal flesh. The second death is the destruction that most will go through in the Lake of Fire. When one comes out of the fire (the water) he will have new life. It is my understanding that water baptism is a type and shadow of this second death. Only churchians believe that physical water today, gives new life. So, perhaps you do see what I am saying.
I repent of my sins as the holy spirit inspires me to. I have much more of this to do. I recognize this in myself. You, on the other hand, feel that you have been saved. I couldn't disagree with you more. I will ask that you stop teaching blasphamy and study the scriptures. Just wait for the holy spirit to inspire you of the truth.
if you name is not in the book of life you are cast into the lake of fire. There is no mention of ever coming out!
It's Aionios. This means it has an end.
Dan it is your choice to believe whatever you want to believe. As far as I'm concerned I am finished discussing this with you. You are stuck on a word of a man. Stay there if you want, but you should try and find the truth for yourself. If you find the truth, then you will be able to make a righteous judgment,
What makes you think that I didn't already know most of these things? The first time I read the bible (4 years ago) I didn't think it lined up with any church teachings I had ever heard of. I never thought the idea of free will was logical. I just never thought about it that deeply. The etenal torment doctrine makes god out to be absolutely evil, and the bible just doesn't teach it. If Ray's teachings were'nt self evident in scripture I would have already abandoned them. You Dent, are stuck on the word of "man". By the way, I'm not debating you. I'm exposing your orthodox heresy to anybody that may have spiritual eyes and by chance, come across this hub.
Dan, as I said I will not discuss this with you anymore. If you believe I teach falsely, then why don't you join up here at hubpages and write your own hubs. I guarantee you will get more people to agree with you than they agree with me about the subject.
I doubt that many people would agree with the truths of God. The scriptures make it clear that few will accept them. I consider it a miricle that churchaholics such as yourself, continue to miss these truths.
By the way, there are several people on the net that back up the salvation of all scripturaly. I just happen to think Ray is more scripturaly gifted then the others I have come across. Have fun believing in your failure of a god.
Dan are you saying you don't go to church services anywhere?
Forgiveness is for all. All are forgiven already. That was accomplished on the cross. It was the death of sin. One can only be saved by believing in Jesus Christ.
The fire of the Holy Ghost is for purification. Like a goldsmith will melt ore down and remove the impurities that rise to the top. There is another fire that burns up the chaff.
You can believe whatever you want to believe. I will not take that right away from you. I will notforce you to believe what I wrote, nor do I even care to tell you the truth. One thing you must believe above all else. You must believe in Jesus Christ. That is all I have to say about this subject.
Sin died? When was this? I'm not aware that sin is dead. It's all around us and in us. Yes, Christ's death took care of the forgiveness of all. The sin must now be burned out. And it will be. But sin is alive and well.
I try to attend church every day (if church is even the correct term for ecclesia). But the real church does not take place in some building with some charlatan preacher.
It's a metaphor Dan. Christ became sin. He became every sin.
Christ did not become sin. Christ became the ultimate and final sin offering. He did not become sin itself. You're basing such nonsense on a faulty translation. The animals sacrificed in the OT were sin offerings of which Christ fullfilled in spirit. Never, were those animals said to become the sin of the particular individual.
By the way, church is a metaphor. It's not some building where some spiritually blind minister teaches the nonsense that you've been spewing all over this webpage. What I'm saying is, you are not a part of the real church.
Again, may God remove your blinders.
I have been expecting you to say something about bad translations. It is what everyone seems to say. It's always the fault of the translation.
God became man for one purpose and only one purpose. That was to die for the sins of all men. Sins were nailed to the cross for God became sin, (flesh).
if the bible was"nt written would there be a god
Well, not all translations.
2 Cor. 5:21
For Him who knew no Sin, He made a sin-offering on our behalf, that we might become God's Righteousness in Him. (Emphatic Diaglott).
For the One not knowing sin, He makes to be a sin offering for our sakes that we may be becoming God's righteousness in Him. (Concordant N. T.)
It's my understanding that only one word is being translated into sin offering and it is actually from the word sin (chattaah). However, all of the times it is translated sin offering in the O.T. it was also only one word with the direct translation of sin. The Hebrews did in fact, consider their sacrifices sin offerings. Two hundred years before Christ, about seventy scholars translated the Hebrew O.T. into the Greek O.T. and translated the single Herew word for sin into sin offering. I'm sure that they understood the meanings of the Hebrew.
Now, how can it be proven that the one word in the O.T. must be translated into two words?
Lev. 4:29
And he shall lay his hand upon the head of the sin offering (2403) and slay the sin offering (2403) in the ;lace of the burnt offering (5930).
Notice that the one word for burnt is translated burnt offering. Offering was understood by the ancient Hebrews.
And no, offering is 7133 so burnt is 5903. Let's check how the Hebrews identified words in context.
Lev. 4:23
Or if his sin(2403), wherein he hath sinned (2398) come to his knowledge;, he shall bring his offering (7133) a kid of the goats, a male without blemish.
The word for offering speaks of sin, burnt and trespass offering. In Leviticus alone, the one word for sin is correctly translated sin offering 54 times.
Also Exe. 44:29
They shall eat the meat offering(4503) and the sin offering (2403) and the trespass offering (817) and every dedicated thing in Israel shall be theirs.
So what does this have to do with the N.T.? The one word for sin in the context of making atonement, must be translated sin offering.
1 Cor. 5:7 Therefore purge out the old leaven, that you may be a new lump, since you truly are unleavened. For indeed Christ, our passover was sacrificed for us.
Passover comes right out of the O.T. and the Hebrews knew that it was an offering and not sin itself.
You feel that everyone seems to say that the scripture in question is mistranslated in the KJ. Now, was it Viral or yourself who feels that the majority beliefs rule in matters such as the existence of hell and the translation of aion into eternity and such?
Make up your mind. Personally, I think most churchians would agree with you. But, I have clearly shown (with help), once again, that churchians are wrong. No, saying Christ was made sin is no where near as blasphamis as claiming that the Father will torture people for all eternity because the Son couldn't save them. But it is still blasphamy.
Read what I write carefully before you respond.
Scratch, there is God with or without the Bible.
Dan I will have to take time and study your comment before I can make a good reply. Thanks for taking time to comment.
Dan when you ocmje back here I want to know exactly how far apart herndon and Masassas Virginia are.
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AMEN AMEN AMEN!!!!! God bless you. TRUE TRUE TRUE!!!!!!!!!!! Praise be to JESUS IN THE HIGHEST - THE name above ALL NAMES!. Every knee shall bow, every eye shall see, and EVERY mouth shall confess HE is KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS. Yes indeed. All - including UNVELIEVERS WILL CONFESS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I enjoy your hubs, however I disagree with the statement from Jesus. First and foremost the language of Hebrew is translated somewhat differently into english. Furthermore, the Fiery place in which the Devil and his fallen angels are to go is the lake that burns with fire and sulfur "everlasting destruction" or the second death. Which their is no ressurection from. Meaning they will simply cease to exist.
In Bible times the city of Gehenna was a place where the fires burned day and night and dead people would be tossed into it. The Bible and Jesus used symbols and metaphors to teach the simple minded and uneducated ones to understand. Thats my thought on the matter.
Thanks for thecomment jjrubio. I disagree with what you stated, but I am glad you disagreed with good manners.
I am not sure what you meant about the first statement by Jesus. Would you mind clarifying for me?
Death and hell are also cast into the Lake of Fire. If you search scriptures you will also find that the devil's angels are bound in hell.
"Another great passage about hell is a statement Jesus Himself made about it.
Mat 25:41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:"- GOD NEVER SPEAKS OF HELL FIRE. ONLY MAN OVER THE YEARS HAVE CORRUPTED THE BIBLE AND PUT IN THEIR OWN THOUGHTS. THE DEAD SEA SCROLLS ARE ACCURATE.
I DID NOTICE ALSO THAT YOU QUOTED JOHN 3:16
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
THAT SCRIPTURE IS SELF EXPLANATORY- GOD INTENDS FOR HIS RIGHTEOUS FOLLOWERS TO HAVE EVERLASTING LIFE ON EARTH, THEIR IS NO EVERLASTING LIFE IN HEAVEN....YOU ARE NO LONGER A HUMAN NOR ARE YOU ALIVE. AND ONLY 144,000 PEOPLE ARE SET TO RULE BESIDE JESUS IN HEAVEN. THE "LITTLE FLOCK" THE REST ARE TO BE HERE ON THE EARTH.....THE BIBLE SAYS SO.
Mat 5:22 But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.
Those are Jesus' own words.
Actually the scripture Matt 5:22 is translated as follows:
"However, I say to YOU that everyone who continues wrathful with his brother will be accountable to the court of justice; but whoever addresses his brother with an unspeakable word of contempt will be accountable to the Supreme Court; whereas whoever says, ‘You despicable fool!’ will be liable to the fiery Ge·hen´na."
Gehenna occurs 12 times in the Christian Greek Scriptures, and it refers to the valley of Hinnom, outside the walls of Jerusalem.
While Jesus was alive, this valley was used as a garbage dump, "where the dead bodies of criminals, and the carcasses of animals, and every other kind of filth was cast." (Smith's Dictionary of the Bible). It simply means Everlasting destruction!
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"Who will grant me this, that thou mayest protect me in hell [Sheol], and hide me till thy wrath pass?" (Job 14:13, Douay Version)
Sheol means the common grave! As well as Hell and Hades.
"Death and Hades were hurled into the lake of fire." "The lake" mentioned here is symbolic, since death and hell (Hades) that are thrown into it cannot literally be burned. "This [lake of fire] means the second death"—death from which there is no hope of coming back to life.—Revelation 20:14.
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One more thing.... Tell me why does the Catholic Bible change the translation of the word SHEOL???
The Hebrew word SHEOL occurs in the Hebrew Scriptures over 65 times and yet in the King James Bible ( the most widley known Catholic Bible, they translated that one word into 3 " Grave", "pit" and "hell".
So if it is translated to grave, pit and hell but yet the original scrolls have it as SHEOL you tell me how it could be overlooked and just changed into 3 different words unless all 3 words had the same meaning.
Its only common sense. Grave and Pit are just as they are...the ground, the dirt. Sheol is the resting place for the body. Not a fiery hell. Remember who is GOD...God is love and also GOD never lies.
So if he can plainly state that Death pays the wages of sin, how can people think that GOD would then persecute and torture people after they have paid their debt? That doesn't make sense and that would be calling GOD a liar. And as far as the Devil and his fallen angels, they are to be Abyssed for 1000 years then GOD will destroy them..... the second death meaning ceasing to exist.
As I stated above jj, I disagree, I used the Bible to state what is written. I just can't see it your way, simply because there is no punishment at all for sinners. I look back through the Bible and see where God punished those who sinned. Sodom and Gomorrha were both destroyed by fire from heaven.
I have no idea why the catholic bible says what it says. I am not catholic.
The catholic Bible says the same thing. Hell is probably not there anymore. After watching the series on Pet and Paul (rote a hub about that just the other day) it is a very bad place. Rome would burn anyone that disagreed with their rule or that they thought was a threat--Jesus and most Jews and throw their bodies and the remains of the crosses they were put on into a pit. That would be Hell and rightly so.
Sir Dent that hub that I wrote and the video's there tell how each sect of christianity started --including yours.
With all due respect LG, Christianity started in the Garden of Eden. I know you may not believe me, but it is true. It is also hard to explain. I believe if you read all of my hubs on Bible and Christianity, then maybe you would get an idea of what I mean. Of course, that would be hard to do. I have over 100 hubs on Bible and Salvation.
What would be the problem of reading any of my hubs and at least taking a look at the videos?
Why are you trying to convert me to your brand of religion? Because we have lived different lives and have had different experiences and the fact that I am female and you male I don't see how we could ever really agree becasue you will not read anything I have to say. You are closed minded about undestaning where I am coming from. Did not Jesus say Treat others as you would have them treat you. Just be in my shoes for once and see if you can take what you dish out.......
As you know LG, I am on dialup and do not view videos. I don;t have the time to let them load. I am not trying to convert anyone. I have read your hubs on religion. I simply decided to not comment on them. I am trying to keep things civil. I have debated and argued too much to keep doing it.
Sir Dent, I apologize. I forgot that you still have Dialup. I watched the complete DVD on my TV before I wrote that hub and I rented it from Netflix, if you have that service. I am not debating and I think both of us are on the defensive. So *I* apologize.
No problem LG. All is well. ;)
I don't know where you got that I meant all of christianity....I said your sect as in your denomination. I am sorry but I took that comment as condescending. Oh and I see that one or two of my keys is not connecting in what I wrote. That was Peter and Paul and the DVD is Empires: Peter and Paul and the Christian Revolution I also cannot understand the comment that you made in reference to me believing in religion...... I am not debating but looking for some clarification to your statements.
Sir Dent--I believe you have written God-inspired words. You have an amazing way of writing the truth. I am impressed with how you defend your stand, as well.
LG it was due to my oversight of what you actually wrote. I apologize.
Proud Mom appreciate your comment and support.
Thank you.
I am not catholic either SirDent, I am a Christian. Jesus did not beleive in suffering and torture. He was Just and loving. He was not a hypocrite either. The wages sin pays is death....and nothing more. And yes GOD destroyed Sodom and Gommorrah and also Babylon because they were evil and horrible people who did not want to obey GOD....but they died as punnishment for their sins. They will not be within the group of people that will be ressurected as the bible states. DEATH is punnishment.....There is no HELL.
If you know so much about the bible you would already know that,,,,,,
Also, lets make a truce...I hate to argue...I am just very strong in my belief as I am sure you are as well...take care
Not trying to debate you jjrubio. In fact, I am doing all I can to not get into a debate. I have something for you to ponder on.
Rev 20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
Psalms 103
Jehovah is doing righteousness and judgments For all the oppressed. He maketh known His ways to Moses, To the sons of Israel His acts. Merciful and gracious [is] Jehovah, Slow to anger, and abundant in mercy. Not for ever doth He strive, Nor to the age doth He watch. Not according to our sins hath He done to us, Nor according to our iniquities Hath He conferred benefits upon us. For, as the height of the heavens [is] above the earth, His kindness hath been mighty over those fearing Him. As the distance of east from west He hath put far from us our transgressions. As a father hath mercy on sons, Jehovah hath mercy on those fearing Him. For He hath known our frame, Remembering that we [are] dust.
Revelation 20 1And I saw a messenger coming down out of the heaven, having the key of the abyss, and a great chain over his hand, and he laid hold on the dragon, the old serpent, who is Devil and Adversary, and did bind him a thousand years, and he cast him to the abyss, and did shut him up, and put a seal upon him, that he may not lead astray the nations any more, till the thousand years may be finished; and after these it behoveth him to be loosed a little time.
If Satan or The Serpent (which is it) is chained up someplace, then how can he be decieving anyone when it clearly says tht he cannot? Sin is so far removed fromus that we cannot sin? That is what the first scriptre says.
I believe the second death as having no power because we do it over and over. The first one is something like an initiation of sorts. Jesus said that we can do the ressurection too as if it were a natural event that occurs all the time. Death is natural and so is the ressurection. That be my opinion and understanding. It is also stated in the Bible that not all the miracles are written in the books of the Bible because they would not fit. Jesus also stated that we would do more and greater things then he had done in his lofetime. They sky is the limit.
Slow to anger does not mean He won't get angry.
You have to ask God when Satan is bound and cast into the bottomless pit (abyss).
As far as death goes, it is natural now, but in the beginning it was not. Man was created in the image and likeness of God. No death not sickness was meant for man. Sin is what caused these things to come. The resurrection is not natural, it is supernatural. Let's look at how God does things.
Zec 4:6 Then he answered and spake unto me, saying, This is the word of the LORD unto Zerubbabel, saying, Not by might, nor by power, but by my spirit, saith the LORD of hosts.
It is by the spirit of God not the spirit of man.
Also, I don't understand the relevance of the miracles that were not recorded. Care to explain?
It amazes me how har people fight against the "thought" of Hell. They deny it, overspiritualise it, won't acknowledge it etc. I have to say, they either haven't read their Bibles, or only accept parts they like. The concept (for want of a better word) of Hell is undenyable. Saying God is love, merciful etc does not explain it away. Jesus taught us everything we need to know, "If it were not so, I would have told you", He said. If He taught it, it's TRUE, and real.
But Hell is NOT the message! Salvation is (which you made abundantly clear). What would mankind be saved "from"? If no-one is "worthy" of punishment, why bother sending Jesus to die (in our place)?Pointless!!, But of course we know that it was NOT pointless! Keep sharing bro.
I don't see tha I made a referrence to moracles not being recorded here.
I ask you how do you know the spirit of man verses the Spirit of Jesus or God?
Who tells you what the verses of the Bible means?
I have just got done watching a Program on History International about the Angels in the Bible and what I just learned is that there is no Satan nor Devil mentioned anywhere in the Hebrew Text of the Bible--except only once in Revelatons.
Who is Lillith? Do yu watch any of the History Channel or Arts and Entertainment programs to learn the background and history surrounding the Bible and the times and all the other belief aspects of such?
there is no imaginary hell, we are already here
I heard it loud and clear and the message is as clear as God telling you to write it, God is a forgiven God, so I still don't understand how so many can deny him? We all have fallen short of the glory of God I can attest to it, however I love him and will never ever deter from my faith.:)
LG, the Spirit of God never goes against the Bible because God will not go against His own Word.
Lilith is a made up woman that men have tried to use to discredit creation as the Bible states. No matter what men do or say, they cannot make God go away.
The history channel is not a good source of quality information. They want viewers not truth. Same as with A&E.
Since you asked me a question, I will ask you the same question. How do you know that it is the spirit of God and not of Satan or man?
The program that said there is no Satan, who created the program and for what reason? What is their motivation? I ask you one more question. What do you think my motivation is for writing this hub and taking the stand that I do?
Goldentoad, you are right. There is no imaginary hell, but there certainly is a real one.
AEvans, I appreciate your comment. I used to be in the same place many are right now. I also was in denial. I know many think I was born the way I am now, but it is not true.
I am also beginning to understand whay many refuse God. I may write a hub on it soon. Will have to wait and see what the Lord has for me.
I am looking forward to the article....:) I wasn't born this way either , I hope that I can grow closer to him as in the last couple of months, it is like I am straying not far, but a little distant. I see all of the arguments about religion etc. and it is draining my spirit. I never realized we would have to fight so hard!! But I am a warrior and I am strong. If Jesus died on the cross for us, I cannot lose my site on him.:)
Aka-DJ, I love your comment. It tells it like it is without beating around the bush.
AEvans, remember, the Joy of the Lord is our strength.
It is God's will that all be saved. God's will is perfect, is it not? Christians need to get out of their little boxes of judgements and experience the world instead of casting fellow human beings that God created into hell. Yes, the bible says,"God so loved the WORLD. Not just people! He loves the earth. The earth is his wife! She bears his children! DUH!
Who thinks that the earth is a second rate place? You can have your damn mansions and golden streets while eternally worshiping an egotistical being on a throne. Me and Jesus will be fishing!
Tom, I am glad you read this hub. I truly hope you realy learned something from it. Your comment isn't a civil one, but I let it stay anyway. Many people will quote John 3:16 and some will even quote verse 17. It makes them feel good I suppose.
Joh 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
Joh 3:17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
Why is it they never quote the next few verses? After all it is Jesus own words. He didn't stop talking at verse 16 or 17.
Joh 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
Joh 3:19 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.
Joh 3:20 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
Anything else you have to add here, please do so in a civil manner or it will be denied.
When Jesus was dying he said,"Father forgive them." THEM is the key word. He didn't say,"Father forgive just the Christians."
The reality of hell is only in the minds of those who believe it. Men wrote the bible and it is obvious that Lucifer had his hands in about one third of the writings. It is up to the individual to discearn who wrote what?
Tom, so then you are saying that only parts of the Bible are correct. You said it is up to the individual to discern which parts are right and which are wrong. If we go by that statement, you can't possibly say that anything I wrote is wrong.
You used John 3:16 to try and explain away what was written in this hub, yet deny most of the Bible. You also in your previous comments called me judgmental, thereby judging me as you claimed that I did in this hub.
Rev 2:2 I know thy works, and thy labour, and thy patience, and how thou canst not bear them which are evil: and thou hast tried them which say they are apostles, and are not, and hast found them liars:
That verse is also words that Jesus spoke. Who is He speaking about?
One more question for you. Where do you get your information about God?
How do you know that Jesus said that?
How do you know He didn't? The Bible as a whole flows from beginning to end. Those who call God of the Old testament egotistical do so in error. They do not undertsand nor do they want to understand who God really is. They would rather believe whatever they want instead of admitting that they might be wrong. Now to ask another question of you. What do you think my motivation is for writing hubs such as this one?
I edited my coimment here possibly after you saw it Tom.
I didn't say he didn't. There is a great difference between believing and knowing.
I have no right or wrong, that belongs to God.
I believe your motivation might be to express your views.
So Tom are you saying it isn't even remotely possible that what I wrote is right? My opinion really means nothing. What God wants is what matters to me. He is the reason I write what I write.
I know Jesus said what He said because He told me.
This is my last comment tonight. It is almost 3 AM and I should go to bed. Been watching too much College hoops tonight.
Jesus personally told you?
I didn't say it wasn't right. It is what you believe. What I believe is what I believe.
Yes Jesus told me personally. Is that so hard to believe?
So then what you are saying is that you believe what you want to believe even if it might be wrong?
In person?
What is right for me may be wrong for you?
Well Sir Dent it is impossible for you to believe tha Jesus spoke to me. You were not there and you are not the judge as to who Jesus talks to. So when did Jesus personaly tell you anything?
Thos who put those programs together are doing it for education. Read up on it and then you will be able to make you judgements--not before. What are the motivations of thosw who ut the Bibel together and what are the motivations of people like Jim Jones, The Pope, Jimmy Swaggert and the like? When you do research then you will see and you will be less judging then what you are now. Jesus did not say for US the judge, but he would be the Judge of us.
Why was Peter's testimony or book not added to the Bible? He was a very key player in the church and he was not gnostic nor was the texts that he wrote. Find that in the Bible and not from your clergy.
Tom, you know what I meant when I said that Jesus told me personally.
Another question for you. Do you believe Jesus was a liar?
No,I don't know what you mean? If you believe Jesus spoke to you and you state that he spoke to you, that is fine. It is what you believe. I am not calling that a lie.
Do you believe the religious leaders would lie about Jesus? Who preaches the gospel today without filling their hands with money?
Have I asked for any money from you? I am sure that there are many that preach to fill their pockets, but not all are like that. Also, the truth is that those who preach to fill their pockets preach Christ and Him crucified.
I asked who? Why are you so defensive? I am asking questions only?
Those who fill their pockets (I believe) are the main reason that people turn away from Cristianity.
LG I am trying to remember what I wrote before that got lost.
Jesus speaks to me a lot. I never once said Jesus didn't speak to you. Jesus spoke to many while He walked the earth and they didn't believe what he said. They called Him a liar and some even called Him Beelzebub. What defiles a man is what comes from their lips.
A salesman does everything he can to sell his product. This is what TV does. History channel and all try to sell a product and they will do anything they can to sell it.
Who wrote the book that you mentioned about Peter's Testimony? Who researched to find out and how did they research it? Peter wrote two books of the Bible and both are recorded. Why the need to add more to it?
Why do you think I write what I write?
Tom, I thought I answered you and I didn't mean to be defensive. I said I am sure there are many who do that. Not all of them do it though.
What excuse can a person really use when it comes time to stand in judgment? No one can keep you or anyone else from coming to Jesus. To say others keep you from it, is a lame excuse at best. In the end, it is up to the individual.
Never the less, it turns people away. If a man and his son were walking down a sidewalk behind you. Unknowingly you stepped into the path of an oncoming car. The son pushed you from danger and saved your life. The son got hit and died in his fathers arms. The father asked you to tell the story of his son saving your life throughout your own life. Would you ask the father for money to tell the story?
No I wouldn't Tom.
I didn't believe so.
SirDent ~ I'm standing with you, brother. AMEN.
Thank you Carrie.
Sirdent, I must say that alot of times these hubs go off in the ways that satan wants to put confusion in the Word. But I know one thing that Jesus is the Voice of Prophesy as stated in Revelations and He is the same Yesterday, Today, and forever more. His word will never change even though some would what us to think that and they are not of him. Now if nayone wnats to know about hell this Scriptures tells you it could have been made for the Fallen Angles but that Mankind does have a choice and we make the choice!
Ish 54 Speaks of Hell so if Jesus is the Voice of Prophesy just read it
Therefore hell hath enlarged herself, and opened her mouth without measure: and their glory, and their multitude, and their pomp, and he that rejoiceth, shall descend into it.
Great hub! You know, I was thinking as I read this that Adam and Eve were made perfectly. For some reason, the Devil (aka the Serpent) caused them to think they weren't perfect and could be even better! The lie is that they lost their perfection and never could obtain it again. Having a low self-esteem in the Lord is dangerous! We are kings and priests in Him, praise God.
The Lord responds to those who think that His judgment of hell for the wicked is "not right" in Ezekiel 18:23-32. He repeats Himself in verses 25 and 29 as follows: "Yet you say, 'The way of the Lord is not right.' Hear now, O house of Israel! Is My way not right? Is it not your ways that are not right?" He again repeats Himself in verses 23 adn 32 as follows: "For I have no pleasure in the death of anyone who dies,' declares the Lord GOD. 'Therefore, repent and live."
Carrie Perfect creations do not sin. You really don't appear to have a very strong spiritual understanding of the Scriptures. Contradicting yourself over and over and over again.
I've read several postings and the common theme here isn't about god or Jesus or even Hell for that matter. It's promoting your OWN views, your OWN desires above God's Word. Fortunately, there are those who know that God is in control of ALL things. God allows many to be misled in His name for a time. But we are told that there are a FEW, NOT the many 2 billion + christians who will know His truth. Comparing Scripture with Scripture there is no contradictions... unfortunately I see and hear and read contradictions in everything posted & even more failure to acknowledge God as supreme creator. Vanity is putting your own pleasures before God's. Again, I say it is fortunate that God has called and chosen some to know His truths. It is quite clear that you and the great majority of all religious faiths do not know God or His Son Jesus Christ at all. You claim Jesus failed as Savior of the World when you claim anyone will go to hell to suffer torment for all eternity.
Hell is not literal. It is spiritual. The fire is spiritual not literal. God IS the LOF. God is a consuming fire. They are one in the same. Stating otherwise is not scriptural, nor truthful. There is literal brimestone and there is spiritual brimestone. Everything physical has a spiritual counterpart. You do not understand these things because God has not given you the eyes and ears to understand. Yet you claim He has but contradict His Word everytime.
Christ did NOT speak more about Hell than Heaven. Christ NEVER said anyone would suffer for all eternity in a place calld Hell. The devil was created as the devil for a purpose. He is used as an instrument in God's hand. to test mankind but it is God who creates us to be vessels of HONOR or DISHONOR. You do not have the ability to make choices independent of God's will. You can make choices but you can not choice anything that God has not already declared. Again, when you state you can, you contradict God's Word and you cal God a liar.
The only kings and priests are the few who are called and choosen in their lifetime during the ages. You cannot declare yourself a king of priest and then call God a liar. you can not declare yourself a king or priest and then contradict the scriptures over and over and over again. The Scriptures state that MANKIND was created FULL OF VANITY against their will. The SCriptures state that God also gave MANKIND HOPE, Hope in salvation thru Christ who was declared the lamb before the foundation of the earth. It is needful for all to live this life on earth. To understand good vs evil, light vs dark. These are characteristics of God's choosen, who He also knew and declared before the foundation of the earth. Stating otherwise only showns ignorance of the Scriptures and tells those that DO know the Scriptures that God has not seen fit to open your eyes at this time, just as Christ did not see fit to have the multitudes understand when He spoke. FOR A REASON. Stating otherwise is again calling God a liar and putting your own carnal desires above what God has said is the truth. Who do we beleive? God above all. Certainly not anyone who contradicts scriptures over and over again to promote their own desires and wishes above God's.
Does it make you a bad person to be a vessel of dishonor? No, it's how God has created you and it is needful for a time. You really have no understanding of how God works do you? First comes the hpysical then comes the spiritual in their own order. You cannot understand spiritual truths unless you understand physical ones prior. Christs words are ALWAYS Spirit. That means when He speaks He is speaking of spiritual things ALWAYS. His truths are spiritual, not physical. Promoting physical rituals or physical manifestations like a literal hell or heaven are fabricated lies born of vanity and human desires and recycled over and over. It pleases God to have mankind decieved for a time. However, those that have been caleld and choosen KNOW that it is temporary and that ALL will be saved in their order. The firstfruits and then the rest in their order. All who are not thr Elect will be in the 2nd death, ALL who are not the Elect will be MADE to repent and declare Christ. ALL who are not the Elect will be cleansed in the LOF and made to repent. They will have their carnal desires and sinful nature burned away spiritually. God is a consuming fire and GOD is the Lake of Fire as are His Elect.
You really need to ask God to let HIS Will be done in you and stop promoting your own willful nature above all. If He sees fit to grant you the eyes and ears, THEN and only THEN will you understand and come out of her/Babylon which is all churches and all religions.
Christ;s Elect assemble in the spirit. Not in bldgs made by hands. Continuing to promote a doctrine from a covenant that is no longer active is attempting to serve two masters. You do not even have the spiritual eyes and ears to understand that simple God given truth because god does not want you to. It is this foolishness of preaching that I am doing right now that pleases God. It makes no difference what I say or how many scriptures I post... God's will, will be done above your own. I know that, God knows that but you apparently do not know that... yet.
I am so grateful for my salvation. I am grateful to live in the Light. I look forward to Jesus returning and eternity with him in the light. Thank you for sharing. I hope and pray many are saved. We have our work cut out for us. My love Patti
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I read that book too, 23 minutes in hell, we read it out loud from front to back in one time period. I remember as soon as we got in the car and I started reading it, I got this pain in my chest...I felt a spiritual attack, yet I knew I was to keep reading and not be in fear! Since God is more powerful than the enemy:) AMEN!! The book painted a pretty good picture, of what hell may be like. It is nice we have a God whose intentions is for not one human being to go their. That all will come to the saving knowledge of His Grace and Salvation:)
Man! I am reminded of what Jesus said to the Church of Ephasis.
Revelation 2:2 "I know thy works, and thy labour, and thy patience, and how thou canst not bear them which are evil: and thou hast tried them which say they are apostles, and are not, and hast found them liars:"
Ephasis had some problems, but it was great at apologetics. It is amazing to see people rant against the clear teaching of the Bible.
Good job with the apologetics my friend.
Listen. Sin is a disease. It has a cure, but only one cure: the blood of sinless Jesus Christ. God is the doctor and wants you to be healed. Your health insurance will not pay for the treatment. In fact God would not accept your insurance if it did. So, He gives the treatment for free. His terms is that you admit you need it and receive it for free. If you refuse the only antidote that is offered to you free of charge, you will die in your body, but in your eternity as well. You have a warning and refuse it. . . Well, I respectfully submit, you deserve all the hell you get.
The best advice I can give is spend time with the Holy Spirit. Ask him to show you his will and way for ur life. Rev. 3:3 explains it all. If you dont hear the Holy Spirit, it means that you are not spending enough time with him. Remember what Jesus said Mat 7:22,23. Many will prophesy and heal the sick in my name, but when judgement comes I shall say I dont know u, depart from me u lawless ones. Ensure that ur way of living is that which the Holy Spirit leads u to live daily.
I'm new to the hub and enjoyed reading this piece Sir Dent. I've written several hubs on this as well. Infact, I'm doing a multi part thing called "An Interview With God," right now. Thanks!
Hell is real, I totally agree with you. Nice Hub. I just finished composing one of my hubs titled, 'why is there Hell if God really loved us' and after publishing it, I got this hub just at the right side of my page. It is enriching and similar to what i have written, maybe you can check on it also.
Its really an excellent hub..
"Man was never meant to go to hell, but was created perfect in every way. As I stated earlier, man made a bad decision."
That can't be true that man was created perfect, because if man was created perfect in EVERY way, then he wouldn't have made a "bad" decision! Perfect people don't sin because they are perfect!
Hell is within; God is within; imminent self pervades regardless of semantic context or worldly reference. The ONE is the instance of self that pervades as life everlasting - the moment is the vessel in which it presides. All that emanates life is an actualization of that which is manifest reality. We are an intelligent realization of life and love everlasting; God is love and love is life everlasting. Perfection is an impression of life everlasting and we can be perfect because we are all that is possible as manifest reality in intelligent form. We are from perfection because we are manifest from all that is life and everything that could have been but was not and is now us in this moment which we call reality; but in truth it is not reality until reality is define. We are in the moment and moment is everything that might be for those who subside within. Pragmatics is not dead; only overshadowed by semantics.
Learnlovelive, you are teaching new age doctrine. God does not dwell where He is not wanted and not everyone knows God personally. God is not within everyone and he actually does a favor for those who do not want Him by not dwelling within them.
Hell it not within a person, it is a real place that ungodly men will go to if they continue without confessing their sins before God and believing that Jesus was raised from the dead.
Everyone knows God because they know life itself. To deny this is to deny the Christ within; the divine that dwells; the pervasive truth. Believe what you will; I'm truly enraptured - no longer enamored by hopes for stronger ideals but strengthened by the truth in their resolve. I have studied all that is and dreamed a thousand dreams; as have you. God bless and prosperity converge.
Neither of us wish a world where man debates peaceful ideologies. We only wish to seize it, my friend. If I am wrong, it is not deemed by me.
Seize yourself and seize god. Enrapture the moment and feel all that is and could be within. Experience reality manifest.
Alas; God without a name. Praise be!
Today I wept. For all that is and will be stunted by our selfish desires.
I approved one of your comments learnlovelive. The other two I refused because they are written in CAPS and are considered rude and shouting.
You said, "Everyone knows God because they know life itself." I wonder if you believe that Ted Bundy knew God, Jeffrey Dahmer, Jack the Ripper? These three men were murderers and even worse than just murderers. Bundy had intercourse with the bodies of the dead young women he killed while Dahmer ate the flesh of the boys he killed.
You say you have studied all that is. I also wonder, "Have you actually met Jesus? Have you met God Himself?"
Your ideas are too far fetched to make any reasonable sense.
I always believe that hell is within us, not underneath earth.
Dayathinker, many believe what you stated to be true. I in fact do not know for sure where hell really is, but it is not within us.
SweetiePie Level 6 Commenter 3 years ago
Very informative hub about Christian beliefs sirdent. Good job!